I was a real wreck when I put this page together. I left it here just to indicate as much. I wouldn't spend much time trying to figure it out at all if I were reading this...
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Some of this sounds particularily juvenile and whiney to me now, but I guess it still stands as part of my background. My approaches to life still have much, if not all, of these bases. I just feel little need to express these continually to the extent reflected here. |
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HENCE, PLEASE TOLERATE THIS PAGE VERY MUCH AS INTERIM MESS THAT I ONCE HAD TO GO THROUGH
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The text in olive font is a quick note of very rough thoughts added afterwards and does not have to be comprehended to grasp the main text. This main text is comprised of a talk that other people (not I !!!) wanted me to give to people who identify as Samoan and are with a disability - and there are two poems - one called "my mr independent dick" and one on regaining peace and independence in my own terms. The condensed bit at the beginning about being "postsecular" is essentially on upholding the emotions associated with whatever is someone's belief system while discussing it. There is also a mere hint and rudimentary start on remembering how good emotional health actually needs no recourse to overly value-laden morality or soppiness - I found myself supported by people who just did not understand the outlook I've worked so hard to explore and nurture for most of my life, and yet they did come running overwhelmingly to me whenever I needed a hand. It seems that from upon looking at these and upon reading the varied bits presented here on the reasons why I loved my life, that I just wanted to be listened to and understood as a human being wanting to live life with compassion in a way that really is from me. I still am living with a lot of love of life to be thankful for, and hopefully am still with a lot to give. |
IT IS WITH GRATITUDE TO THE BBBOY NETWORK AS WELL AS HEALNPD.ORG THAT I INCLUDE A COPY OF MY SECONDARY PROFILE ONLY LIGHTLY EDITED BELOW AND CHANGED IN SEQUENTIAL ORDER TO MAKE MORE READABLE. I CONSIDER IT SUBJECT TO THE SAME CONDITIONS (elaborated more fully on the next page) - AND ONLY PRESENTED IN THIS WAY TO MAKE MY OWN FORMATS CONSISTENT
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Date Joined: Nov 12 2004
Personal Bio:
My unmet commitment in ecology and science still gnaws away at my brain, but that in itself will never achieve a thing and I didn't know what else I could say when asked to give the short talk pasted below before two poems. the way I have been intrusive in the past while attempting to relate to people also bothers me. this is all explained further, along with loss of love in life and in learning about the world around me, on another profile page (
unspoken), which is also listed at the end of this page.It is frustrating to me that I'm not writing about ecology yet, but I wanted to have a record of what I've gone through first, so that I have confidence in the lessons learnt - no one else has this all down for me in research notes. in getting this all down, I hope I have acquired the peace of mind just to get on with what I should be in life.
Geocities.com/kayneich/postsecular/emergent is the url for the main part of the website of mine containing Krishnamurti excerpts and some older stuff messily crammed together.
To annoyingly reiterate, the first piece of writing below is also about how not to get kids motivated, and the poems are very rough poems I once jotted down.
- That first piece on nearly debunking "motivation" & "leadership" can indeed be related to the small talk I gave.
- The last poem is one of reconciliation.
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DEBUNKING ...
Some of our youth today are said to be hanging around the place with no purpose and with life in disarray. Apparently without much thought that I can see, it is often said that they are in need of something or someone to follow. Instead of supplying them all with some sort of supernatural belief system (which helps some a lot), what if it was acceptable for some of us to say,
"Hey, you're right. I too believe life has no purpose. There are no gods. No reason for our existence. But what we do have is love, each other, and this incredibly amazing planet. Now there are conventions and rules and regulations, cultural and legal, set up so that we can live side-by-side and hopefully not hurt each other, but isn't the real task to go beyond that? To gain the depth and the understanding of our world more and more and more so we can love, respect and enjoy that with all our hearts and supple minds not totally pinned down with steadfast blinding rhetoric? ... And then to look after it. Can't our world itself become our purpose and our reason." ?
Well that kind of motivation worked for me once, 'til it became very clear to me that some of my family, would take that to be an insult if they really did look into it further. Sometimes, and I know this is an exaggeration, it seems society wants rolemodels and leaders, not human beings.
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I had once forgotten, but it had been interesting when I was younger to consider how anthropomorphic it can be to assume that the phenomena we perceive must have a function, a design, and thus an existence that we can all end up appreciating. Moreover, often it becomes easily assumed that such appreciation should be in set, standardised and pre-existing terms, and in ways parallel to what is found in conscious human endeavour. I still become intrigued at how people who insist that what seems created must have a creator, find it insolent to be then asked who created the creator. |
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I myself can half-jokingly take a presupposed framework for my own question here to absurdities in an answer that would entail reductionism in the explanatory mode, but going in an unfamiliar direction of invoking the sense of there being increasingly more encompassing agencies of control. There would be a god who was created by a god who was created by a god... I don't doubt that I can't hide my wonder as to how one extra level of explanation can be deemed necessary, and yet, we'd all find such further reductionism ridiculous. See "(well, I'm) stuffed" for one further note. |
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With those who call it denial when I don't invoke a creator of the things in this world that I dearly love, I respect the dedication, faith and love brought about by their belief system as incredibly strong and real in itself. Accredited to different things, the potentially overwhelming intensities of our emotions, still do exist. These feelings for who we really know and what we love on this earth can still exist no matter how we change some of our thoughts. Empathy can also be for the people who want us to have different beliefs in light of that very want, as we all know that feeling too. |
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This page is about what I've gathered from different experiences and how I dispel more from the consequences of the functionalist perspective for myself along the way. It was never intended to be about heartlessly ripping into someone's most personal beliefs for them (as if I could, or as if it is ethically acceptable to me that anyone should be allowed to try to change the mind of someone else consciously without having respect for their free will unless explicitly stated otherwise like this). |
All people can find common ground in exploring what is now known as synergistic and emerging properties with me instead... and in chocolate.
LIFE HAS NO PURPOSE EXCEPT FOR THE PURPOSES WE GIVE IT :
Past all this dated philosophy, subtle ramifications from elucidating approaches can hone in on patterns unnoticed before as an avenue to then explore differently.
To say so can be banal.
However, I think such underlying dynamics can be shown as I write my reflections on personal relationships entailing both the loss and regaining of living a fulfilling and contented life. I think these suggest that maintaining an emotional wellbeing is of ongoing importance and involves much more than just the outcome of good self-esteem as often implied. Having fun and doing things to cheer one up when feeling down also fall way short of the mark in the long term.
I think this piece within this page indicates best just how really freyed at every end I was, racking everything over in my brain for a more suitable fit. The fit did arrive, but it seems one of those things I still cannot adequitely articulate, despite thinking that I could attempt to do so, as I first tried here...
When addressing emotions directly, I find that much about these remain elusive. These can be reached better when spoken of - still necessarily embodied among everything else - but also when the context given is one within which the dynamics of our feelings are upheld and can be made explicit to a healthy extent whenever we want. It is sad when these are left inaccessible, buried or ignored.
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Emotional health simply is one of those things in life that needs to be taken care of, and we don't learn this as kids simply through guided civil, social and recreational pursuits. We get chances to experience emotion, but are hardly ever given the scope to reflect on how subtly this manifests, changes and takes form and may do in so different ways, with possible after-effects from the different associations ensuing - yet still with different interpretations left open. I claim that self-confidence would then largely become a byproduct of the ongoing maintenance and growth of such conscious and mindful knowing, along with whatever else happens in life. What often is said should lead to confidence, is forced down our throats as children without being expected to question it, but less likely imparted is the understanding and skills to regain lost confidence during adulthood. moreover, some of the techniques encouraged as a child become exactly part of the reason why it seems confidence can be lost - and I sure as hell didn't want to continually repeat the past. I was unsure for a long time of where to go next. |
I have said that this page is essentially an applied and personal debunking of functionalism since a lot of this is what a recourse to utility, worth and purpose just does not touch on and cannot explain. That is, perhaps until it is recognized that it requires an effort to acknowledge that everyone must be working with all sorts of different currencies (and, here, trying to accommodate for such a functionalistic way of putting things is still clumsy).
The self-contradiction is pretty evident.
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WHEN YOU'RE READY ; ALTERNATIVELY, "MY UNDOING" MAY BE A PAGE MORE APTLY EXPLAINING HOW FROUGHT MY MIND WAS WITH ALL SORTS ESOTERIC THINGS)I venture that telling a daughter or a friend that she is worth more means nothing when she has not realised for herself, that she will never recoup whatever "worth" she has invested into a hopeless situation by continuing with it. To her, her "worth", if you must, is already wrapt up in how happy she will be when the situation she's in finally works out.
When clouded in such a situation, I just thought, "What on Earth are they talking about, can't they just see what will make me happy in the end if I can just sort a little bit more out ...?" ...
Of course I don't doubt for a minute that men can go through the same things. I smiled as I added to the first of my poems, presented below, later on in my healing. I was more openly accepting of what gender I am, but also noting that intimacy remains pretty "unfeminized" for me despite many around me trying to insist that women almost have some sort of monopoly on caring.
For years I guess I have always been incensed at how a lot of what I do in life is done on very compassionate grounds, but has been chastised as cold, hard, clinical and traditionally male domains. When utterly confused, I still didn't want to believe such simplistic bullshit, but had to open up more towards people with such notions on a social basis. I'm glad that it seems I have still grown and am very comfortable in a way which I would have hoped.
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I believe all sorts of banality can be very undermining, and really serves no purpose other than to insult the complexities in life of all those concerned. it is such complexity that enriches life when it is fully seen for whatever it is and then simplicity just flows on from there. what follows is a simple speech that I had to give, and absolutely hated every minute of what I had to say. please keep in mind that it was for a very general audience and now roughly modified in this text form. (
Narcissism inclusive is still pretty wanting, but gives a bit more insight, and I think makes me sound even more thick, spoilt, and self-contradictory) : -when my Uncle Solofa here invited me to come and give a talk to you all today, and to encourage some of you to get out and about more, I must say I cringed a bit. I wanted to come and see my uncle and aunty, but not having seen them for such a long time, I was a bit concerned that they would have been disappointed as to what I had done since we had last met.
to all the world, for the last few years, all it would seem is that I have been sitting in my room at my computer and having my parents look after me. at 32 yo, this is not where I once imagined I would have been. I know of, and have been very close to, some people and various agencies around auckland, who have set up services for people with disabilities like me. these agencies enable us to live on our own, help us at least initially to appoint and manage our own caregivers, and so we can go about doing the things usual for people our age ; work, study, some of my friends in wheelchairs are managing to raise their own families, run businesses, provide support services, some are in counselling, some lecture, teach, and generally lead very productive and busy lives. I've heard just recently, 2 friends of mine who had attended a special school with me down in wellington have now married - we thought they were the slow ones (!), one has travelled extensively several times across india and southeast asia on crutches, one with more extensive cerebral palsy than mine is now a senior computer software engineer for a firm in Las Vegas.
I got a degree - a bachelor of science majoring in zoology - way back in 1995. as someone wanting to research in the area of animal behaviour, ecology and evolution, this really is not much at all so far. I had always loved my studies, and as there were no science teachers or labs at special schools, it had been extremely important for me to do everything I could to get a normal education, and against a fair amount of hurdles, I ultimately excelled at high school and then on as an undergraduate at Auckland University, winning a number of awards and scholarships along the way. I loved the work and finding out about the world around me. evolutionary theory, basic genetics, finding out why animals behaved in the way they do and the philosophy concerning how we interpret such behaviour was what I really loved. I went out doing this thinking I had the full support of my family behind me, that I was learning how to do my bit for the world around me. I thought I was showing that I cared and was immensely grateful for this life that I had been given.
I grew up and found out that my family had their own way of loving and supporting me. to some people, and increasingly more so today, university is an obstacle to get past, a way to get letters after your name. it ends in a party where your relations stick flowers around your neck, people you've hardly met - maybe once or twice before if you've been lucky - end up kissing you, suddenly calling you their cousin and twittering on about family pride and honour. I had to work extremely hard to try and appreciate all this, and I do. it has incredibly important meaning for some of us. but in my mind, there is no way in the world that I was doing what I did for pride and honour, I did it for a love of learning and finding out about the natural world around us. I know it's not like harvesting coconut from the plantation, or noticing what trees are fruiting by watching where the bats are going, but I have learnt some skills by which to monitor nature in a way that I can, and in some small way I hoped that one day I could make a contribution. that would have to probably end up being theoretical, if anything, since lab and fieldwork is out of the question for me.
it was very much an honour for me to end up studying for my masters degree with a professor who had been one of the major instigators behind the setting up of islands out here in the Hauraki Gulf of Auckland, upon which native species who aren't surviving on the mainland, can be transferred to. my masters thesis that I had started out so long ago is partly about rat eradication from some of these islands. people brought the rats to nz, and many native species cannot survive with these present. however, our environment has been so modified, we are unsure of the effects of additions and removals to the islands offshore.
after having been capped with my BSc, and seeing that many of my friends and family were apparently so proud of me, but were only around for show and had no interest or respect for what I was doing, I eventually got lost and despondent as well. I actually became a bit more than clinically depressed and the doctors had warned that I might have to stay on pretty heavy psychiatric medication all my life depending on what happened in the following five years. that was extremely scary for me as it was already very easy for people to assume that I couldn't cope with life and it is ok with those who knew me, but I worried over how I could ever assert myself again with those I did not know. I had got into this mental state too partly because before I had been working so hard, and in order to get things done, I had to come across as sounding so sure of myself. I had to stop and pay attention to my emotions and what I had got so wrong.
it had been drummed into me from my upbringing, and indeed those who taught me at varsity, that people and a reality beyond whatever I could get from books, is extremely important. I had to look seriously at what I could do for people, as I know I could do a great deal, and I know some could really question my apparent focus on animals. while still attempting to finish my masters degree, I tried broadening my life among friends, some from disabled groups, and during this time, I ended up as the pacific islands representative on the 2000 new zealand disability strategy - a govt document now used in guiding some legislation and public policy.
to some disability politicians and advocates, I owe a great debt of gratitude. even though the message does not always get across, I also try to live my own life that extends in gratitude on what has been done before me.
however, I find that a lot of those people in political disability groups are extremely angry about how they are not being treated well in some areas of life in society - angry at buses, angry at shopkeepers, angry at parents, angry at doctors. there is always unfairness and injustices in our society, and it is good to take a stance against these - sometimes it is extremely crucial, but I believe it could often be measured more against the expense of missing out on the life already in front of us. I can understand this anger, and have sometimes experienced it at such intensity myself when younger. for a long time there, I thought that maybe I should listen to these people and maybe I had been sheltered and spoilt and just did not realise that what I thought I had dealt with, I have to deal with again. but it struck me that there was so much anger, some could simply not enjoy the life they said they were fighting so hard for.
that anger comes out in personal relationships too and I find it ironic that many disabled people I know are crying out to be seen as capable of loving someone, when actually I think there really is a need to do this in order to recognize that just like with any other person, a person with a disability can exhibit behaviour which would be considered abusive if there was the intent behind it. this behaviour, intentional or not, whether both or one of the couple are disabled or not, can have ramifications for anyone. it should more often than not be worked through, rather than accepted, if only to move on with peace. I just think it can be debilitating for someone so keen to insist that they can manage in circumstances that in fact no one should be expected to endure. I'm certainly not saying that this always is the case - undue emphasis is not warranted here. nor will I ever say that in any event, two sides to every story don't each have depth. it's just that relationships happen with everybody - it's high time this should not be any suprise, but also due consideration to the pitfalls should be given. I don't think this can take place when in public, one feels the push to extol only the positives on the part of who people assume one represents, all the time.
I'm hoping that others can find that there is positive potential inherent as a matter of course in what I say here, once the negatives are blended into better context.
a lot of what I had been told by these groups to do - have a dream and be very goal orientated - cuts a lot out of life, I found, and doesn't allow one to listen, appreciate and integrate with other ways of seeing. that was my problem to begin with. having aims and goals is good, but only if these also remain grounded as part of the fuller picture to which these belong. I have worked extremely hard to learn how to not block or force my feelings, but to allow these to come-and-go, and only nurture the ones that can be acted on in a sustainable and healthy way. when I had clinical depression, I became afraid of feeling and thought that in no matter what I did, I would just get hurt. life felt worthless. what I feel I have now has put me in far better stead for the longer run and this is why I have felt hesitant about coming in today, because it is my belief now that getting people charged and pumped up on enthusiasm doesn't work nearly as long as encouraging people to develop their own knowledge of working with their own ups-and-downs. this developing does happen in practice, but the way the process is dressed-up and expounded in public leaves us short of a deeper appreciation for the intricacies and richness involved. Thus, I argue that a lot of meaning gets lost.
obviously, I can only speak for myself. if I could, I would appeal just to anyone in realising that no one should have to feel compelled into political grouping. I do understand, however, that this can feel like the most appropriate way. I wish different approaches could also be seen as contributing and complimentary.
lastly, I have found that some of my friends with disabilities are absolutely dying to be valued, respected and looked upon as leaders and upstanding citizens in society. indeed, this is what the strategy document that I worked upon wants. I however would encourage anyone in society not to bother with adhering to the norm at all. I'm sure we all know of people working so hard to get recognition, they ignore the really important things in life. basically my message to anyone, not just a disabled person, is to do something you love, and not care if anyone else notices. in turn, we must help others do the same even if it doesn't make complete sense to us. but when we can, we can listen to what a person does for what it means to them - that may be different to what it means to you, or to society as a whole. I think the study of nature had helped me to look outside of myself, and maybe this is more of what we all need - to get out of ourselves and our own little concerns. I think we can all be more productive if we stopped worrying about matching up to others.
mum has been with me all the way. dad too. our families need us, and it helped when I learnt that.
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ATTEMPTED POETRY
-- please forgive this cathartic wailing that had to
spill over in excess for a while --
My life was crazy and I tried to make sense of it in this first poem. Writing this has shown me how many lessons I had yet to learn and teach myself ...
AGAIN PLEASE REALISE HOW MUCH I ALSO REALISE THAT I SOUNDED ABSOLUTELY BONKERS HERE TRYING PRETTY UNSUCCESSFULLY TO HANG ONTO A MERE FIGMENT OF WHAT I THOUGHT I WAS ALMOST GRASPING
~MY MR INDEPENDENT DICK~
ten years gone.
full of led zep, don henley and denon audio gear.
leopard's new spots and species recovery plans.
unused airline tickets.
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You tell kids to dream, you stripped mine. |
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Left alone in doctors' rooms. |
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For complications with even the usual things. |
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I had always thought couples work out together and grew with depth from. |
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... and yet in another way, I was refusing to rely on anyone. |
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Bloody hell, I used to think of me alone like that, and how you didn't even want to know. |
you were away talking about valuing people and taking their lives seriously.
not realising, my feelings were quietly bleeding too.
a solemn and thoughtful explanation was all anyone could have expected.
instead confusion cumulated and jaded in my mind in a way that was my very worst fear.
I didn't stand up, my credibility fucked.
casual until you needed me, denying all the way.
society had nothing to do with it.
family we could have floored.
and I did know where I was going.
direction wasn't that bent.
it did become.
I know you were going through your own hell, and well ...
how could we screw in a light bulb?
...numerous onerous signs still fresh and raw at the slightest recall...
on top of everything else and more deeply, I thought I'd always make myself too distant.
that I would be too afraid of imposing with all I need.
waiting with the most valuable thing I had to share.
I didn't know that I had my life.
it was all I had.
just barely still glimmering through over the years.
but you just screamed out in an agony that I'd never forget.
sequestered as an extremely irreparable absolute dysfunction.
you once more chased me away.
I had been open, when old wounds were pierced straight through, yet again.
did you feel the same way?
I could no longer reach out without drowning myself.
at times it is just quite a normal split and you should never have to worry.
but it took time for me to get here.
several times you broke down, and then shot me down for caring.
saying you don't care what I think.
then for you it was business as usual restored. no discussion.
after a time, awareness took over a battered and weakened psyche ...
I learnt much along the way.
what the hell were you dragged through, what did they say?
sorry that I too, had to spout a bit and bail.
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A poem of self-reconciliation follows...
~FOR THE BOTH OF US AND BETWEEN US ALL~
I remember feeling so free
The first time
I thought I knew how
We can only be responsible for our own thoughts and feelings and not those of others
Applied
Then I was into everything
The greatest risk was not taking any
Used back on me
It hurt
And so I left the thought
Went around it
Worked right through it without feeling
Didn't want to touch it in that same way
Built it away with defences
Defending myself against the pain
Never wanting to be that way
Was the chance and spark of life lost?
Caring and compassion
Made hard to see
I knew everything was right
I didn't feel it
Caring doesn't leave when responsibility is gone
In our binary world, mine too
Others hurt, and I hurt and all I know
Must be left alone
In our own shelter
To heal
Fine
Sometimes kindness can still be given
Not if it smothers and chokes to kill a way through
But also can never lose
Gratitude
A thank you for caring
Nothing to do with petty platitudes
Nor comforting approval for the weak
I just know what can turn into a justification for not caring
Been on both ends
Empathy turned around once again
Never has to be a means to an end
Did not understand the words, but
Objectification and use was scaring me
Yet caring has no use
It is for it's own sake
The others I recall when I see myself in a terrible reflection
Foreboding
Already knew this
They could have felt used too
But still went on in life caring
This seems the sealing aspect of my self-forgiveness
A more subtle hue of independence to the outside
Is more the free and responsive security within
I now embrace this condition
Fragments taken up as integral wholes again
Ready to take in and become and flow and change
Where my feelings are with all I loved and still love
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WHEN YOU'RE READY ; ALTERNATIVELY, "MY UNDOING" MAY BE A PAGE MORE APTLY EXPLAINING HOW FROUGHT MY MIND WAS WITH ALL SORTS ESOTERIC THINGS)Home page : Krishnamurti - seeing the true in the false is what sets the mind free :
http://www.geocities.com/kayneich/postsecular/emergentSecond page : Krishnamurti - going against something is still reacting to it :
http://www.geocities.com/kayneich/postsecular/formativeCompanion page :
http://www.geocities.com/kayneich/postsecular/unspoken