Frederick A. Drummond and Church of our Saviour Information Site

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You have to get a copy of "Twisted Scriptures" by Mary Alice Chrnalogar. She has spent 19 years working to rescue victims who were controlled by leaders of destructive or abusive churches. Learn more about her book and read a condensed version... Click here

At many well meaning churches, a spirit of elitism and false shepherding as well as control takes over. There is a great book about this called "Elitism and the False Shepherding Spirit" by Kathie Walters. I find it very interesting that Ezekiel is a main passage quoted in this write-up. Buy it here for $3.50.

Not surprisingly, this is gone. Guess they don't like people to see their pictures. Pictures of Leaders In order, Hillary and David Durham (Hillary and Loraine are sisters), Doug and Antoinette (Drummond) Sands, Grace and Richard Bellingham (or Goldstein, or another name before that), Frederick and Loraine Drummond (real former name is O'Finnell), I'll skip the next person's name, then comes Frederick Junior aka Freddy Jr., Frederick Drummond III (or should that be Frederick O'finnell II?) his wife is Heidi (Hoffman), Then David and Lynn Clark. In this one, they asked Drummond if he feels any remorse for all of the people he hurt and all of the money he has taken.

Visit the Philadelphia Inquirer and Philadelphia Daily News and Delaware County Times archives which can all probably be obtained on the web. There are many articles about Frederick Drummond and his church which has not always been called Philadelphia's Church of our Saviour. There was Galilean, and then First Baptist also and maybe others.

Know that in the year 2000 they were having a building fund to collect 3-8 million dollars. They were also being told that the church did not have much money. According to Delaware County, PA records, Click here for the Delaware County web site, in May, 2000, there was a loan or refinancing done on that property to the sum of about 1.3 million dollars. From what I understand, the congregation was not informed of this, in fact I believe they were still being told that they need to raise more money to survive and for the building fund. From what I understand the church leaders have denied taking the loan. Check it out yourself with Delaware County, PA.

As of Sept 1, 2003, there is still no new building on the campus. From at least the early 1990s on, each year the leaders would say that God prophesied that this year we would build and the church would become big. I've heard that the congregation has been hearing this same story since the church moved from Missouri to Concordville, which was the late 70's. So far, the only things reported to me are that the parking lot has been paved and new awnings were installed.

According to sources who have been to visit him in Florida, Frederick Drummond, (who must be Jr., because his son is Frederick Drummond III), has been living in Coconut Grove, FL, which is near South Beach, Miami. According to these sources, he has been driving a Bentley and has been going out to champagne breakfasts and fine dinners among other things. He is seen quite often with a young man I would guess to be in his upper 20's [name removed - not associated anymore with Drummond]. I have no concrete information on their relationship, but it is suspected that they are quite close. Drummond's wife continues to live in Glenn Mills, in a small run down building in a small apartment which is next to the dorms. They don't see each other very often.

What's even more interesting is that a search of Miami/Dade's Courthouse Deeds shows that the house Drummond lives in was purchased by Solomon Trust. It seems that Solomon Trust is directed by Frederick Drummond III, his son. Click here to see the real estate records or Click here to see it on a map. The house was bought in 1998 for $439,000. A search of the area also turns up apartments and other residences under his daughter's name Antoinette Drummond (who's last name is now Sands).

Please note that with every day, God will heal you and reveal things to you. Don't blame yourself and the feeling of sadness and maybe depression and guilt it perfectly normal. You can only get your healing from God but you can get help from other ex-members of Drummond's church during this time in your life.

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Post #12 has been removed at request of the original poster. If someone else would like to submit and email telling about any alleged corrupt business dealings please do.

New! Post #27 Posted 10/10/04 The following was submitted by email. (3 separate emails)

I AM WRITING TO WARN PEOPLE OF THE EVIL PLACE I WAS INVOLVED IN FOR 7YRS! MY FAMILY AND I STOPPED COMING AFTER AN EMERGENCY MEETING WAS ANNOUNCED AND OUR EYES WERE OPENED! KEEP IN MIND MY FAMILY AND I WERE VERY COMMITTED ALTHOUGH MY SPOUSE NEVER LIKED OR TRUSTED DRUMMOND FROM DAY ONE, AND DIED TO IT ALL A FEW YRS AGO AND WAS ONLY ATTENDING SUN. MORN. TO GIVE GOD RESPECT, AS FOR THE REST HE THOUGHT IT WAS A BUNCH OF CRAP!! I TOO HAD MY DOUBTS MANY MANY TIMES AND JUST KNEW IN MY HEART EVERYTHING DIDN'T ADD UP BUT, AND EVEN GOT COUNSELING ABOUT IT MANY TIMES BUT WAS ALWAYS MANIPULATED AND SOMEHOW IT ALWAYS REVERTED BACK TO ME AND HOW I NEEDED TO BE DELIVERED OF ONE THING OR ANOTHER. I HAVE TO ADMIT I DID HAVE A REAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND GAINED A LOT DURING THAT TIME BUT I ALSO LOST AND GAVE UP A LOT. I ULTIMATELY DESERTED MY FAMILY AND OLD FRIENDS, GAVE ALMOST ALL OF MY TIME TO THE CHURCH TO THE SCHOOL I EVEN JOINED THE ADULT CHOIR FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND WENT AS FAR AS BELIEVING ATTENDING CHOIR PRACTICE WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ATTENDING MY OWN SON'S OPENING DAY IN BASEBALL, CRAZY RIGHT I KNOW BUT I WAS CONVINCED THAT I WAS DOING IT FOR GOD, EVEN THOUGH I WRESTLED AND HAD ANXIETY OVER IT KNOWING GOD WOULD NEVER REQUIRE THAT FROM ME BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD GOD AND WHY WOULDN'T HE ALLOW ME TO ATTEND SPECIAL THINGS LIKE THAT! THAT'S JUST MESSED UP! I GO TO CHURCH TWICE ON SUN. HAVE TO BE THERE AT 7;30 IN THE MORN TILL 1:O'CLOCK BECAUSE I WAIT FOR MY CHILD TO FINISH CHOIR PRACTICE, MEANWHILE THE DRUMMOND' ARE AL ENJOYING THERE DINNER TOGETHER AS A FAMILY WHICH WE ALL GET TO SMELL THE AROMA THROUGHOUT ALL THE BUILDING AND I RUN AROUND LIKE A WORN OUT LUNATIC RUSHING MY FAMILY OUT AT THE CRACK OF DAWN NO MEAL PREPARED FOR MY FAMILY DRIVE LONG DISTANCES RUSH HOME WORN OUT JUST SO WE CAN ALL RUSH BACK AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF HRS. AND PRETEND LIFE IS GREAT AND WE HAVE SO MUCH PEACE YEA RIGHT!!! ME AND MY KIDS ARE THERE EVERY SAT. MORN FOR ADULT CHOIR CHILDREN'S CHOIR CAMP BEAUTIFICATION ETC ETC... OH AND IT USED TO WED. NITE TOO AND AGAPE TOO! TALK ABOUT BRAINWASH AND MANIPULATE !!! THEY LEFT US WITH HARDLY ANY TIME TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. THAT ISN'T NORMAL WE ALL KNEW IT, YET LIKE IDIOTS WE ALL DID IT. I COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON I DIDN'T EVEN DISCUSS ALL THE MINISTRIES WE WERE ALL INVOLVED IN!! ULTIMATELY ALMOST ALL OF OUR HARD EARNED MONEY WAS GIVEN EITHER IN THIGHS OFFERINGS ,SPECIAL OFFERINGS, TUITION FOR A SCHOOL THAT OFFERED VERY LITTLE. OH ,WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT THEY WANTED THE CHILDREN TO DISPLAY 1ST TIME OBEDIENCE, BREAK THEIR WILL ETC, ETC, I DID AGREE WITH SOME THINGS BUT LOOKING BACK I DID MORE BAD THAN GOOD THEY JUST WANTED BROKEN KIDS WHO WILLINGLY GIVES IN TO ANYTHING THEY ARE TOLD TO DO WITHOUT QUESTIONING OR NEEDING EXPLANATION SO THAT A CHILD BECOMES ALMOST A ROBOT WHICH BY THE WAY YOU COULD EASILY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE POOR THINGS AND THEY'D PROBABLY LET YOU MOLEST THEM AND THEY'D HAVE TO KEEP QUITE ABOUT IT !!!! WHAT KIND OF A PLACE LET'S PEOPLE WHO ARE SICK ROAM AROUND AND DO AS THEY PLEASE??? I THINK THEY ARE ALL SICK THE WHOLE FAMILY !!! I DID FEEL SORRY FOR SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS BUT I DON'T ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU CAN'T TELL ME THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY KNEW BUT WERE TOO AFRAID OF RUNNING AWAY CAUSE LET'S FACE IT IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN DRUMMOND FLIP OUT YOU'D UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.. I FEEL SO SICK OVER IT ALL, SOME DAYS I'M OK AND OTHER DAYS I FEEL LIKE I'M LOOSING MY MIND, AND SOME DAYS I'M SO SAD OR ANGRY! ITS HORRIBLE WHAT WE'RE ALL FEELING!!!!!!! I LOVE GOD BUT RIGHT NOW I DON'T TRUST OR WANT TO TRUST ANYONE OR ANY CHURCH.. THEY DID MORE DAMAGE TO ME THAN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DID AND HE SO PUT THE CATHOLICS DOWN HOW DARE HE!!! HE'S EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ARE! I AM HAPPY THAT I'M STARTING OVER AGAIN, IT'S LIKE WERE ALL IN A BUBBLE, IT'S GOOD TO BE NORMAL AGAIN AND VISIT MY FAMILY AND MEET NEW PEOPLE AND EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD RATHER ISOLATING MYSELF FROM IT AND CONSIDERING IT TO BE ALL EVIL, MAN WERE WE WEIRD!!! I'M ALL ABOUT FORGIVING BUT THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST, I'VE FINALLY DID COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THEY ARE SICK SO YOU HAVE TO FORGIVE BUT, I PRAY GOD PUTS AN END TO IT ALL A.S.A.P. BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PAY THE CONSEQUENCES. WE SHOULD AS HECK WOULD. IN FACT IT'S THE ONLY WAY FOR IT TO END BECAUSE WHEN YOUR SICK YOU CAN'T STOP YOURSELF AND THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED!!

I WANTED TO ALSO MENTION THAT I REALLY THOUGHT THE DRUMMOND'S GENUINELY CARED ABOUT EACH AND EVERYONE OF US BUT IF HE WAS TRULY A SHEPHERD WHO CARED ABOUT HIS SHEEP #1 HE WOULD HAVE STEPPED DOWN JUST TO SHOW HE TRULY FELT BAD AND# 2 HE WOULD HAVE CONTACTED US WHEN HE NOTICED WE WE MISSING WE WAITED A FEW WEEKS BEFORE WE CONTACTED THEM. NOT EVEN A PHONE CALL, IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANY ONE OF THEM, AFTER ALL WE TURNED OUR BACKS ON OUR OWN FAMILY AND MADE THEM! OUR FAMILY AND NOT EVEN HELLO WHERE HAVE U GUYS BEEN? ARE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY OK? NOTHING NODDA NOT EVEN NICE KNOWING YA . TO THINK I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THEY CARED ABOUT US!!!!!!!!!!1

I am an ex church member my family and I left in Aug. this year . We are amazed and appalled at what the Drummond's are getting away with! Will this come to and end or is this all going to continue?? we've read all the excerpts and even contacted the D.A., are they airing anything on T.V. ? They have a sign outside the church, citizen bank sponsoring the church project?? What is going on, do you know? It makes it hard to move on without justice being served, it's sort of confusing because if all the accusations are true, and we believe they are, we know the families personally, who have been abused, luckily no harm came to my children and thank God my husband did not get sucked in like I did or we would have given alot more money than we already have, but enough is enough!! Please those of you who have evidence need to come forward!!! Read Jermiah 5 all of the chapter especially verse 30;31.

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I have been a member of Church of our Savior for some time now. When I first started going I was very skeptical due to rumors I had heard at the time. Rumors of sexual abuse, and misuse of money. So as I listened to Dr Drummond I did so with an open mind, always listening and analyzing not what he was saying but how he was saying it. I think the man has degrees in psychology, and sociology, because of how he says things. Over time I can see how so many would think it would be true. I know there is a lot that goes on with Dr. Drummond. I had read that he had maxed out two American Express cards when he went to Europe. I don't know if this is true, I do know that just about the whole Drummond family did go to Europe for a fairly long vacation. Another thing, a couple of years back when Dr. Drummond, David Drummond, Steve Drummond, and the Ansart brothers moved back up here from Florida, I can remember on a Sunday night, Grace Bellingham said that Dr. Drummond was coming back and that Dr. Drummond had told Grace that GOD had said his house would be sold in one week. So Wednesday night came around and just about as we were ready to leave, Grace announced that Dr. Drummond's House had been sold. Everyone including myself stood up and praised GOD for doing such wonders. Well, it sounded really good at the time. Later, I found out that Church had bought the property, then one day when I was doing some research, the one house in Florida I came to find out that His own Daughter Antoinette Sands name was on the title. Most recently, Reverend Sands and his wife, Antoinette were talking about a house they had recently purchased in this area which I happened to overhear. Several things have bothered me, like where did all the money go last year when we were raising money for the same thing. All that money seems to have been used up. I just want to know where did it go? Let alone there was a recent wedding and expensive reception for Stephen Drummond and Ginger Sparks. There were over three hundred people who attended which had to cost between $32,000 and $40,000 dollars at least for all of them to attend at the SpringField Country Club in PA.
Dr. Drummond has also announced the possibility of purchasing new land about ten minutes from the church. I don't think this is going to happen, due to the fact that, I have heard from a very reliable source that the church might go bankrupt, if the new building that they have been talking about doesn't get up soon. You see there have been 50 or so members that have left the church for some major reasons in the past two months. Accusations of sexual misconduct to misuse of church funds. Last year to build the new building, Dr. Drummond asked us all for about one million dollars to make it happen. Now I do not know about how much of the money was collected for last year's building attempt I guess you can call it. But, I do know that this year he has asked us for over two million dollars. Now I do know that a large portion of the building and the building's materials were purchased and are being stored on the basketball court. They have been stored there for over twelve months. The reason that was given to us when we asked why the building would cost so much more was that the steel needed had tripled in price in one day. Given the market I don't doubt it, but the question I have to ask is wasn't the steel already purchased last year along with just about all the other materials needed, I mean this time last year we were all geared up and ready to go. One other thing, everybody (and by everybody I mean the core that has moved from the Midwest) says we should cover our brethren (meaning if someone does something wrong you should protect them like family). Well, guess what if you break the law you should be punished according to the law. Getting down on your knees and begging for forgiveness just doesn't cut it in today's world. Dr. Drummond has proclaimed
himself to be a profit of GOD, but this simply cannot be so due to the fact that the Bible itself says there will be no other prophets. Now I don't know if anyone notices or not, but just about every sermon he preaches does not come from the Bible, but from his own personal notes. Before I go, I would just like to mention that [names of prominent people] are just a few of the names that have left. Each one was pretty high up in the church. From what I know there is legal action in the works against Dr. Drummond. There are many people who are needed to testify against him and others. Also, there will be others in the next few months who will be leaving, many of whom you really would never have expected, including possibly, a high ranking woman. Anyone with information that is true, please post it on this web site, even if you have to mention names and specific situations, so that the truth can come out.
One more thing, I don't think the building is going up anytime soon because I have just found out a very good portion of the money is gone. The excuses Dr. Drummond is going to give is it was needed for Attorney fees, and other expenses. His house in Florida is really up for sale for 1.2million dollars. All you have to do is look up the address for your self. My personal gut feeling says that 1) he will either leave or move saying God is telling him to or 2) he will stay and continue what seems to be a facade. On a personal note: I am still going to church, while putting on the front of my life. The reason I choose to stay is so when one day ( which I hope is soon ) the bottom finally falls out; my friends will need my support. The other thing is if anyone from the church is reading this, I ask you to think for just one second. Ask yourself if the Bible we believe in says there shall be no other prophets. Dr. Drummond is a self proclaimed prophet, so for one you know that has to be false. And the second thing is to read the second to last paragraph in Revelations where it says basically that anyone who takes these words and uses them for their own personal use shall have the plagues of Egypt brought upon them. The Bible also says that any leader of the church should not be able to be accused of anything. The fact that Dr. Drummond has already willfully admitted to things in front of the body of Church in August is enough to Demand that he step down for Good. By not doing so he ignores his own teachings. Although, he may have some very well thought out points, and his points, most of the time make sense, you have to think about something: if the church was really called to do what Dr. Drummond says its called to do, then why over the past thirty-five years has the church really done nothing much more then have a fancy sound studio, and a paved parking lot with lights. It saddens me to see the people who have left, but you have to remember they left because they have all found out who Dr. Drummond really is and what he is really doing when he is not preaching. The fact that stories and rumors have circulated saying that they left because of unclosed issues or they did not get what they wanted is totally untrue. They left because they saw the real truth about Dr. Drummond. Now there is a big mess because the ground where the basketball court is situated is all torn up. Not more or no less than a year ago. There is still no building. There is still no money for the building, and the church is still losing members after all these years. All anyone with an open mind has to do is look objectively and you can see the truth for yourself. The Bible warns of false phophets and not to follow them, even if some of his intentions are in some way good. Just stop and take a good look around, and while you are at it, I'll bet you whatever you want that the building does not get built this year. When that happens, What excuse is Dr. Drummond going to come up with next?

I just left COS. I'm not sure that they even know it yet. I was there a few weeks ago on the Tuesday night meeting when Drummond incited a riot for his own benefit, lied to us all regarding his sins and intentions and I watched in horror as Sands, Bellingham and other long time psychotic members literally ran those who were attempting to speak in opposition right out of the building. People were standing on chairs and screaming, running up and down the aisle, it was surreal. That night I began to see what I had always know in my subdued right mind: that something evil is at the core of this church. In the days and weeks that followed at least 100 of most respected members and families in the church left. They were agape leaders, counselors, bible school professors, teachers in the children's school, the entire staff that oversaw the nursery and strong families in general. Every single person that left had a testimony in the church that was years old and beyond reproach. Since then, the remaining members have been ordered in church services to not talk to the "evil people" who, Drummond said, "owe all of their spirituality to me." Since then also, through Sands, Bellingham and others, I was taken into what I can only say is a conspiracy to keep current church members attending and recover anyone, especially the weak-minded, back into the church. This is the corruption that I personally experienced that caused me to flee for my life. I believe the allegations of sexual misconduct and I know that millions have been given to the church over the years, draining families and people from their savings and even possessions. I gave what I could every time. But last year they began to teach about a dysfunctional lifestyle that centered on a personal dependence of others rather than a direct relationship with God and all of our dependence on Jesus. My eyes were really opened as for weeks Sands and Bellingham taught us to not place Drummond in the place of God. They told us to follow the Holy Spirit and the scriptures, and to build our own healthy relationship with Jesus. Now that people have done that, Drummond and his gang are in a crisis because people are no longer deceived. Why would you take a year to train people to hear directly from God for their families and future, then scramble to convince them otherwise when they decide to leave the church? I was being told to contradict everything they had taught me and, of course, they always had some patched together scriptural reason for their logic. I can see clearly now that COS has never been about the Bible, Christ or evangelism, but all about money and Drummond. It came to a final conclusion for me recently when on a Sunday night. That night Drummond had yet again asked families to pledge more money to a defeated building project. After the service one of the few remaining men that I respected approached Drummond in the church parking lot. He asked Drummond for some explanation as to the lost money and why the church was never told that they were paying for his mansion and staff in Florida all those years. Drummond began screaming at him. Drummond said that the church constitution gave him absolute power over money with no accountability to the members. Then he said something ever more amazing to me. He told this man that he was nothing but trouble from the day he entered the church. Drummond also said that this man had never given him any honor from day one. I mean, he was yelling in the parking lot! Well, I know this man and his family. For years he and his wife worked endlessly to bring a dead nursery ministry back to life. As a matter of fact, he and his wife were honored by the leaders during a service and presented with flowers and a trip to New York for their dedication. I also know that this man has given more than his time. His children were enrolled in the academy and he always gave generous offerings, especially for the building fund drives. This was the final straw for me. Drummond is an evil man who will say or do anything to anyone to satisfy his pleasures. He will also insult and berate the finest people I have ever met when asked for the slightest accountability. COS is not a Church of Jesus Christ. Is there any other explanation why over 8000 people have left this church over it's history, and only 150 or so remain? I hope and pray that God quickly brings this abomination crashing down. As for me, I am sort of in shock, but seeing clearer every day. I am hoping to restore my relationships with those who have left and find a real church soon. Thank you. YOU MAY POST THIS EMAIL!

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Let's cut to the chase people! Drummond is guilty as charged, we all know that, but what about other people we are leaving out?? Want to talk about [people suspected of being molesters]?? Any one out there that would also like to confirm this posting? Here we go, Richard, Gary, Ken, former member Eddie. Is that enough to begin with? What in God's name is going on here? I am so terribly disgusted at how the list goes on and keeps on going. Tell me, did we all sit down and eat dogshit for dinner folks?? How many more souls can endure the aftermath of their sins they commit on innocent, unsuspecting children? Especially when it's all being done in the name of God. " You must cover your brethren forgive and forget or God won't forgive you" Forgive the children for what?? Being a victim? Or is that another bullshit spirit the children then need to be delivered from? I pray you sickos are reading these posts. When you spend your days behind bars and you will, I'm pretty sure you'll be eating dogshit for dinner as well cause big bubba's gonna like your fresh little ass and for once you'll get to experience what it's like to be the helpless child{ren} that you have taken for so long at your will and leisure. Funny thing how Karma works isn't it? I guess the saying "What comes around goes around" isn't so far fetched, now is it? Please, if anyone out there is reading this and these men have hurt you SPEAK UP. Free yourself from the tortures you have learned to live with for so long. This is not the way God intended for you to go through this life.

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I am blown away by this web site, because I attended COS for 8 years and left 11 year ago. I can't believe Dr. Drummond is still just as evil now as he was then. The things that are still going on in his church are all the reasons why I left 11 years ago. I will never forget my horrible experience there. Every time I think about it I just shake my head in total amazement that a church could be so corrupt.

Now that I have grown in the Lord, I can see clearly all of Dr. Drummond's false teachings that are completely against God's word. For instance, I can remember he had the whole congregation pray out loud for Rev Bracket to divorce his new wife just so he would come back to the church and be his assistant again. This was so sick and goes against scripture. There are just so many other things that he said from the pulpit that were just sick like if we left the church, then it was a good chance we would die, because then God would have no use for us. He even had the congregation believing that they were not to have any contact with anyone who left because they were in "Satin's hands." The woman who led me to the Lord there who I looked up to so much didn't want anything to do with me when I left the church, because she said if I left, I would then have nothing in common with her anymore. Isn't the fact that we were both saved something in common....that's what it was all about, not what church you attend. The people we so brain washed. They believed anything Drummond said.

I remember witnessing Drummonds anger and it was so ugly. He was just the opposite of a man of God. I remember being in his house and seeing the wealth of antiques all over his home. There was extreme wealth in his house, why didn't that money every go to support missionaries? Aren't pastors supposed to have modest salaries? Everything was for his own personal gain and he used God's word to get it. Imagine getting rich by using Gods word to manipulate people! I would not want to be him on Judgment Day. I use to be so afraid of him, he just scared me because I felt the presence of evil around him. Even though I was such a babe in Christ when I attended there, I just knew something was so wrong with him!

When I use to waitress, he use to come in and eat and drink at my restaurant and act so obnoxious. I was amazed at all the alcohol he used to consume and he thought nothing of it. I never led on to my coworkers that he was my pastor, because I was so embarrassed! Now, is this really a man of God that I had to be embarrassed of him. I could go on and on with things about Drummed and COS that have scarred me for life and if there is anything I can do to help stop this man, please let me know. I just don't understand how people can allow themselves to be so controlled by him especially if they are reading their BIBLE. I remember when I questioned anything about Drummond, I was told that I was giving into Satan because that's what Satan wants! I thank God by his grace that I started to know better and that He was able to led me out. Thank you Lord for leading me out of one of the most evilest places I ever experienced!

I pray he will led you out to.

[Regarding the question of who to contact about legal matters. Please read posts 22, 21 and 20]

To answer another person's question...they should contact their local authorities first then the Delaware County DA's office.

Post #19 Posted 9/6/04 The following was submitted by email.

I would like this to be posted on your website if at all possible so that others may understand
the complexity of this mind bending organization known as the Church of Our Savior (old spelling).
I have known for a long time that the church is roughten but I did not know how corrupt it was
until the most recent incident occurred. In August 2004 it was revealed that a certain male member of
the church was sexually and verbally abused by Frederick A Drummond Sr. These outrageous acts
were witnessed by Douglas Sands. Douglas defended Drummond by saying that the victim admitted he was
not sexually abused and Drummond just had his hands in the victim's pockets. I guess he was
keeping his hands warm. Unfortunately, this all came out in a Jerry Springer like church meeting. I
wish I could have been there but I do not think I was invited. I might have had too much to say!
Would not want anyone to speak up in Nazi Germany would we?

Some time ago Drummond also had several young church men wash his Bentley Rolls Royce by hand. I
was one of them. He insisted that they use specific towels for specific parts of the car. This
was his attempt to avoid scratching the paint from any dirt that may be spread from the
undercarriage of the car. How sad would it be for your Bentley to get scratched while you are inside
fondling young men to your heart's delight.
This is being done all in the name of God. Drummond even teaches that we are supposed to give him
and all the ministers "double honor." God help you as you break away from this DEADLY
organization. If I did learn one thing in being a lifetime member I definitely learned that Drummond does not
believe in hell because if he did he would never treat people that way.
thanks for posting this

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You have me expressed permission to print this message. For weeks I have learned of the horrible and heartbreaking stories of the things that have gone on right under our noses. I am ashamed to admit I was ever a member of COS. I know a lot other members that were just as blinded as I was to what was going on. I was skeptical about COS for a while but dismissed it as my own way of somehow protecting myself. How could these awful things happen and people look the other way? Putting your stories on this web site helps other to steer clear of that place but if you have information that can help the DA, I urge you to come forward and do your part to stop these thieves and rapists before they hurt others. It is everyone's duty to stop people that do these crimes. It will only work when we take a stand. If not, we let more sincere people walk into "Dr. Drummond's" trap. People's lives are being ruined while Dr. Drummond, the Steering Committee and associates are buying all the nice things you could have had for your hard work and for your family. So PLEASE let the law work and help stop someone else or their innocent children from becoming the next victim.

Please post this - you have my permission. There have been many posts listing the more shocking things wrong at COS. I left the church about 5 years ago and suspected these more shocking things, but didn’t have proof of them and those things were not why I left the church. I graduated from the Bible school. I know the doctrine of COS. I had the opportunity to rub shoulders with many of the in crowd while there and also was in charge of Jr. Church so I saw things that most members would not. I am submitting these notes (at the bottom of this long introduction) because they describe all of the other things I saw wrong with the church. I want those who have recently left or considering leaving to understand that there is much more wrong than the shocking things that have recently been revealed. There have been more subtle things wrong for years and the Holy Spirit opened my eyes to them and now I understand much better who God and Jesus are and what they are like and what is wrong in the churches. You also need the Holy Spirit to open your eyes. You need to search these things out for yourself. I read books, watched movies, asked God for answers and you wouldn’t believe the donkeys he spoke through. Get rid of the religion and all you have been indoctrinated with. It is not Jesus. Ignore the teachings you were taught there and read the Bible with a clear mind and not with the COS interpretation. It’s amazing. It’s not just the Holy Roman Church that is messed up, it’s most of them. Why? Because God doesn’t want his children to be led by a man, he wants them to look to him at all times. He wants a relationship with him, not some church or some church leader. He doesn’t want big buildings or great services. I read in my Bible about Jesus moving around and mingling with the sinners, and talking with small groups of people or to one woman at the well. How many church goers do that? If they do meet someone at the well, do they give the message Jesus gave to her? I believe almost all of churches today are not what Jesus intended them to be. I don’t believe the churches that the apostles set up were somewhere that you went on Sunday and Wednesday and had a “service” as we know it today. They were groups of people with real lives that spent time together and met wherever they could. It wasn’t about the church, it was about Jesus. The kingdom of God is not an earthly thing. Why would Jesus want such a “presence” here. He was humble and so should be his church. His kingdom is in the next world. If you go to another church – be careful. Don’t substitute one bad thing for another. God may need you to be out of a church for a long time and seek him. Get together with your Christian friends and talk about these things. This is more important at this time. I never want to be a part of another church as we know them but instead maybe something in people’s homes, and meet in an existing school once a month… COS – people did not have good family lives. This is the hardest place to live out your faith. To many times at COS (and other churches) this is sacrificed this for the ministry. The people never had to really deal with living out their faith where it is hardest. It’s also harder to have close (I mean really close) friends and get really deep and personal but this is where you really grow as a Christian, and there were not many deep relationships in my experience at COS, just superficial ones that didn’t make you get down and dirty with life. I only knew Christianity by what they said not how they lived in their own homes. This should be opposite. People should see your home and ask you why it works instead of you having a messed up home and puking the gospel or your beliefs or demonic network on them or trying to get them to church. I believe there is a revolution already happening in the world toward the kind of churches that Jesus wants us to have. I’ve seen movements. Read “Son of a Preacher Man” by Jay Bakker, son of Jim and Tammy. He has seen the problems with the church and he has now set up his own ministry where he ministers to the sinners and has relationships, etc and it is about the people and Jesus not the church. Please click here and here. Listen to “Defining the church” and some more of the audio clips. Read the rest of his website. This is not the only one and this type of thing will grow stronger. At the same time more cults like COS will arise in the days to come. The anti-Christ will grow stronger and establish more places like this where people’s eyes are blinded. One thing that kept people at COS was that it was so much like Christ. When I contacted the webmaster once he said “the anti-christ is closer to Christ than anything, and looks like Christ, but he is not Christ” and “Satan comes as an angel of light”. Think about it. Think about the music ministry at COS and how Satan was music. Think about who led the music ministry at COS. The demonic networks were a focus on the law. God says be simple concerning evil and wise concerning good. How many messages taught us how to love? Also, the demonic deliverance was a means of control and manipulation. So was the fact that many people looked to the leadership to tell them if they were saved or not. What more control than to determine someone’s eternal destiny? Church for me the last few years has been communing with God. I’ve spent a whole lot of time in nature, mountain biking, hiking with dogs. I’ve had God speak to me and reveal deep things of life on the mountain bike trail at 9am on Sunday morning. I spent time reading the bible and books, and talking with God. I’ve learned more about God over the last few years this way than in church. I will never again attend a church as we think of it. I will never attend church every week, it’s just not balanced. I would consider being a part of some organization of believers who wants to make it about the people and Jesus and deeper relationships. I encourage you to read books on grace – Spurgeon has written some good things. Read Hebrews and Romans and Galations many times. Helps get the religion out and allow you to rest in Christ alone for salvation and be free in Christ.

Now here are my notes from 1999 I think just before I left the church. By the way, I read all of this and more to Doug Sands who afterwards told me that I needed to be delivered of Pride (again). I did not accept that because I knew that God had shown me these things and I respectfully disagreed with him and left. I was shocked that he did not address any of my concerns. By the way, at the end we got tired of trying to get time and attention for our ministry of Junior Church and resigned from Junior Church and continued attending for a while off and on. At this point we still didn’t get the attention of leadership. Then I stopped giving my check. Right after that I got attention.

Junior Church I have been saved for only one year and am now learning who God is. He is much different than I have believed all my life. I am saved by the blood of Jesus Christ by grace because God loves me and do not need to work my salvation off. I am learning to be motivated by the love I have in me because of what Jesus has done for me. When I serve in JC it is not based on this love. I feel fear that maybe something will happen if I don’t serve. I feel guilt that I have to do it. I feel like it’s something I have to do and so I do it. My heart is not in it. There have been good times with the kids but they don’t outweigh the fact that most of the time I really don’t like it. I am not cut out for it. I don’t enjoy it. I walk out of most services drained and wiped out, cursing the whole thing and wondering why I continue to do it. Then the fear and guilt take over and I do it again next week. I am worn out. I need a break from the whole thing. I want to enjoy my salvation, my church and my God. I am prospering in every area of my life except for my ministry. It is the only thing that isn’t good in my life. Maybe I’m just not ready for such a position yet. I am just learning how to lead my home, and spend some time in the Word of God. I don’t even do that that often. I am not very spiritual. I am just learning and cannot handle the pressure and stress from this. I need to take a break from it . Another problem is that we don’t have the support we need to run the ministry. 1 ½ years ago we were told that it would not be long until there were several teams rotating. We went for a year with two services a Sunday. Then we decided to only have one morning service and an evening service. One year ago I proposed the structure of what was needed including more teams, preachers, activity coordinators and included many names of those who could be used. I was told that things were gearing up for it and that help was coming and have not seen anything. When we went over those names with leadership we were told that they were too busy with some other ministry. Later on they were put into the teen ministry. It has been a struggle to get support and direction from leadership. Many times we have tried to set up meetings leadership is gone or we hear nothing back from the office. If we do get a meeting it is too late and too short. After being delivered of brutality Rev. Drummond told me that I’ve not come for the support and that I need to run to the support that is available for me. I don’t understand this because I’ve been suffering from no support for a year and a half. Anytime I want to I could walk into the president’s office at my work and he would give me all the time I need (I have). I’ve also called him and he returns my calls personally within a very short period of time. My direct supervisor is even more accessible. I get support from him daily. I guess I don’t know what Rev. Drummond means by the support is there for me. I’ve had a lack of support from the office to leadership the whole time. [one particular child] should not be in JC. She is a huge distraction and brings complete disorder to the classroom. Also, there have been several times when the person who is supposed to look after her does not show. The sound system has been a problem since the beginning in one way or another. First we had only some CDs. Then our CD player was replaced with a borrowed “boom box”. Then CDs were stolen even when locked up in the closet on the third floor. After that the cord to the boom box was disappearing. Now we have antique little speakers and a piano that doesn’t work properly. We have been trying to get a place to lock up our files, sound equipment, playground equipment, and other things to no avail. I have had no training on how to deal with kids and how to lead a youth ministry. I have not had kids and do not know many of the basic things. I am at a loss most of the time because of this. We went without air conditioning for two summers and at the end of this summer we had AC. Each time I talk to Rev. Drummond it seems like he’s always telling me to have more activities, like on Friday night. Who is going to help plan and execute this? Each time I have to plan an event It takes the office way too much time for the approval process, sometimes months. I always have to keep bugging them and following up on it to get anything done. They don’t return my calls or do anything without this constant hounding. I find out after the fact that we have been moved from the third floor into the old music office. I walk in and the room is a complete mess. Ceiling and walls falling apart, carpet trashed, and an air conditioner that should be in the trash with no grill and painted blue with no way to tell what button does what. I requested a first aid kit from the office and was told to purchase it myself and send them the bill. Each time I need to get in touch with leadership It is very difficult. I have to talk to through a secretary and miscommunications happen or I can’t talk to anyone at all because they are away. When we schedule meetings no one even follows up with us. We keep having to call and wonder why it is so hard to get a meeting. In General Church is not the same since Dr. Drummond has been away. There is a poverty curse over the church. Many of the people are living fake, put on lifestyles like they are rich but they are actually poor. Many are takers and don’t give back. Many have borrowed money and possessions from us and either ruined them or never gave them back. I’ve never seen so many people who can’t keep a job and are on unemployment or jump from job to job thinking that this one is the job from God and will make me rich quick. I don’t even try to keep track of where they work anymore. What is wrong with learning a skill or going to college to learn something that will give you a good job or even staying at one job long enough to work hard and move up to a good position. I don’t see that happening. What is worse is that they are teaching their children to be as lazy as them and to grow up in the same poverty. The church grounds and buildings are old and in disrepair, yet much time, effort and money is spent on other things that seem to impress people. Some things are very nice and the best quality. At the same time the bathrooms have holes in the walls and rusty old partitions, the sinks don’t work, and things are falling apart. The parking lot is stones with weeds growing everywhere and the east wing is full of junk. Outside of the administration building you see junk out back of the east wing and other junk under blue tarps on the circle side. Things are a trashy and are not keep care for. One thing God taught me about poverty is I need to take care of what I have first before he will give me something nicer. The church seems like it is wealthy and classy but wealthy people see right through that superficial bullshit like driving an expensive car and having nice suits but living in a small run down apartment. There is too much emphasis on great events and Mr GIBS Café and all the things that wow people in the beginning. There is nothing wrong with this, but not many people have the time to develop lasting relationships with each other. People need other people’s company. When I came to the church I was much more interested in all the new friendships I had than anything about God. I put up with the religion and preaching and thought it was a bit much. I learned from what I heard on Sunday and Wed. and did not need to hear more when out with friends. I needed them to love me and spend time getting to know each other. I still need this and am not getting it. It’s hard to get to know some people because they always have a fakeness to them and are more concerned with what they are trying to accomplish for God than becoming friends. I believe this is backwards. I would think people would want you to become friends with them as they are (Jesus was the friend of sinners) and then you would have the right and the open door in their lives to do something for God. I am incapable of being friends with someone who you are always wondering if they have an ulterior motive. Don’t be friends with people because It’s what God told you to do or a spiritual project. Be friends with people who you enjoy to be around and God will do something with it. Real saved people more than anyone should be big enough in God to be with each other and overlook each others problems. Why is it that we need to fix all of each other’s faults? Why do some feel and say that they can’t spend time with some people because of what they are going through when Jesus was the friend of those very people. Why are we trying to perfect ourselves and each other when Jesus was perfect and we will never be? Only Jesus can change us by his love. Why would we waste this life trying to become perfect? I would rather spend it getting to know people and building relationships that may give me the chance to tell them of the great things that Jesus has done for me. Why are Agape fellowships full of Bible studies and deliverance? What would be wrong with an Agape that met at tennis courts and played tennis then went out for a bite to eat and a beer afterward, no preaching? Think of the endless other activities that you could think of. Women could have aerobics class, an Agape on house decorating where you did each other’s houses, or a walking Agape. You could invite anyone to these events and as long as people wouldn’t start preaching to them immediately (which I see happen a lot) people would be drawn in by them and end up at church. In the mean time we would all have a more balanced life and be able to enjoy something once a week. God gave us all things to enjoy, but most I see are not enjoying them. They are too busy suffering for Jesus. A concept I thought was only in the Catholic Church. Something I think about all the time is the few close friends I have. They are in no way the most spiritual people. But they love to spend time with me and vice versa. They hold me to the church and God more than other things. Five years ago I came to the church and there were maybe a little over 200 people. I’ve seen many come and go and have only had the time to develop relationships with some. If each one of us who are stronger would only develop one good relationship every two years with someone who is new wouldn’t that double the numbers every two years? What if they part of the walking Agape and each week went walking two nights for an hour with no spiritual pressure? Only getting to know God’s people. What would happen then? Are we afraid that that wouldn’t win them. Aren’t we to win them and God is to save them? Have we forgotten what that actually means?

**End of notes ** Those of you who see similar things please share what God has shown you also. I close by saying that at this point in my life I am grateful for my experience at COS. Even considering all of the things I lost there, it is nothing compared to what I have gained. I know now what the false church or church of the anti-Christ looks like. I am a very strong person now who knows what I know. I am not fooled anymore in many areas of life and I have great perception. I have a relationship with God and Christ that I never had before. I have evaluated my life over the last 5 years and know what is important and am living a much more fulfilling life. You too, will feel this way in time if you seek God and continue to look for the answers.

I haven't written to you in a while, but I have alarming news (well, maybe not that alarming) about Philadelphia's Church of Our Saviour. If you read back over my original web posting, I talk about a man [name removed - no longer associated with Drummond], one of Drummond's right hand men. Well, within the last two days or so, he came forward and said that Dr. Drummond had been abusing him physically, sexually, and emotionally. Dr. Drummond held a congregational meeting saying that he had repented and now it was time for the rest of the church to repent. WHAT?!?!? He's trying to cover up what he did. Then, he announced that he would be going to an "undisclosed location" for a while. I say, run but you can't hide, you worthless human being. This has been a long time coming. What a relief. Anyway, I thought you'd be interested to know. Thanks for your time.

If you are looking at this website, you either have friends or family who are going to Church of Our Saviour (COS) and are worried about them, or you’ve attended and you want to know "the other side of the story". If you’ve attended COS for any length of time and you are looking at this website, you are probably feeling incredibly guilty and afraid right now, as though you were a criminal. You are not. You are a person who wants the truth. For five years, I attended COS, and all of this information was given to me by family members who wanted to protect me, and I wouldn’t even look at it because I knew it was heresy from ex-church members who had fallen under deep demonic deception and were now intent on destroying the church. I want to urge you now to examine the facts presented and the stories told here with an open heart. The Almighty God of heaven and earth who saved you and sent His Spirit to live inside of you will keep you safe from being "led astray" if this is all a bunch of demonic hogwash- some elaborate plan of the devil to destroy a little church in Concordville, PA.

There are two reasons people come to COS and stay. One is the incredible love they find there. The people of COS are genuine and sincere. They have a sincere heart to follow God and know Him. Because of their relationship with Jesus Christ, they desire to love people. One thing talked about a lot is the "love feast" that is a church. Church is supposed to be a place where all you find is love and forgiveness in abundance. Love covers a multitude of sins (1 Peter 4:8). Unfortunately, that is a verse that is grossly taken out of context at COS. From the pulpit, we have heard Dr. Drummond say that if you robbed a bank, we would not turn you over to the authorities, we would cover you, because that’s what love does. 1 Peter 2:13 says to submit yourself to the governing authorities, and that is something that the laity of COS does, but the leadership does not, especially Dr. Drummond. He is above the law in every sense. He says things like that so that we will blindly cover Him and His sin if it is ever exposed.

One other reason that people are so attracted to COS is the music ministry, and the fact that they hear the Word of God preached as never before, with incredible power from the pulpit. And there is. My life was changed time and time again from the Word of God that I received there. Because the Word is living, it is powerful and quick and sharper than a two-edged sword (Hebrews 4:12). God will always use the Word because He exalts it above His very name (Psalm 138:2c), and as Paul said in Philippians 1:18, we rejoice that the gospel of Christ is preached either in pretense or in truth.

At COS, there is a lot of deceitfulness in the preaching of the gospel. It is used primarily to suit the purposes of Dr. Drummond, bringing money into the church that he uses for his own purposes, to cover numerous child molesters, etc., etc. Much of the scripture is twisted to manipulate and control the congregation. This is the reason it is so hard to leave!!! You’ve now found a place where you feel accepted and loved, and you are a part of something so much bigger than yourself. Always at COS there is talk of the bigness of the calling of God on the church, bringing faith back into the churches of America, preaching to the Jews, and on and on. You feel like you are really going to make a difference for the kingdom of God there. Then you are told that God adds you to a church and you cannot take yourself out and church membership is for life. Anyone who dissents or leaves is fighting the will of God for their lives and is deceived. You pray for those people because you feel so sorry for them, while secretly thinking they are idiots. You are told the gates of hell won’t prevail against the church, and if you leave the church, you’ll be destroyed. You learn a lot about the importance of the local church. On the outside, everything seems normal. You are told, sure you could go to another church, there are lots of other churches just like ours. Meanwhile, as you learn all of the doctrine, you begin to preach these same messages, but you don’t really believe them. You believe that no other church has it quite right, and you must be important to God for Him to add you to a church this important. Suddenly you are deluded by dreams of spiritual grandeur. And before you know it, you are bound. But you don’t feel bound, you feel safe, like a baby in swaddling clothes.

GOD IS NOT SMALL, NOR IS HE TO BE MOCKED. If He exalts His Word above His name, than He most certainly is not pleased that it is being used to manipulate sincere people who love Him.

Take an honest look at COS. There is a lot of good there. But there is a lot of corruption, and it is deep. It is ingrained in the leadership, Dr. Drummond, David Durham, Grace Bellingham, Rev. Sands, etc. It has been going on for thirty years and covered up. And love covers but Ephesians 5:11 says "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them". It is not wrong to want your leaders to be accountable. It is wrong to blindly follow someone, chanting "love covers, love covers, love covers". It is good to search the scriptures for yourself, to see if they are being manipulated (Acts 17:11). God cleanses, and His is expunging and purifying the unfruitful works of darkness at COS right now because He loves His children. Don’t be afraid of what is happening at COS, and don’t stick your head in the sand. Instead ask the Spirit of God to honestly lead you and show you if you’ve been deceived. I was, and now God is showing me that Christianity truly is freedom. He’s teaching me that church is vital, but my relationship with Him is not based on it, I’m important to Him because He made me and He is a God of love. It’s like I’ve woken up from being under a spell. I challenge you to get real with God, seek His face and will first, because Jesus Christ is your Saviour, COS is not.

1 Timothy 3:1-13

This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.

1. A bishop then must (Greek: Dei - necessity in reference to what is required to attain some end) be blameless (Greek: Anepileptos - cannot be reprehended (express strong disapproval of), not open to censure, irreproachable (Perfect or blameless in every respect)), Once again COS ignores what the bible has to say about certain issues when it pertains to Drummond. Lets forgive and forget. Unfortunately this does not apply to a Bishop.

2. the husband of one wife, If the allegations are true about his problems then he is not just the husband of one wife but into other things as well. If not then the accusations still violates #1.

3. temperate, (Greek: Nephaleos - abstaining from wine, either entirely or at least from its immoderate use) The people at COS might want to ask Drummond as to the extent of his wine collection and how much he consumes on a regular basis. He has purchased more wine in the last year then the rest of the congregation combined.

4. sober-minded, - (Greek: Sophron - curbing one's desires and impulses, self-controlled, temperate) I am not sure but I don’t think there would be many at COS who would try and defend him and say he exhibits these qualities.

5. of good behavior, (Greek: Kosmios - well arranged, seemly, modest) He puts up the appearance of being modest but you should ask him about his wine, cars, clothing, and trips he takes.

6. hospitable, (Greek: Philoxenos - hospitable, generous to guests) I might be willing to concede this one.

7. able to teach;(Greek: Didaktikos - apt and skillful in teaching) When he is not rambling and going down rabbit trails I could give him this one also.

8. not given to wine, See #3

9. not violent, (Greek: Plektes - a pugnacious (Combative in nature; belligerent), contentious, quarrelsome person) Anyone who has been there for more than a few months would be hard-pressed to deny this one.

10. not greedy for money, (Greek: Aischrokerdes - eager for base gain, greedy for money) There were quite a few in the church who would testify to the opposite of this one.

11. but gentle, (Greek: Epieikes - equitable, fair, mild, gentle) Ask anyone who has worked for him if this is his method.

12. not quarrelsome, (Greek: Amachos - not to be withstood, invincible; not contentious) Has anyone ever got a word in edge-wise?????

13. not covetous; (Greek: Aphilarguros - not loving money) See #10

14. one who rules his own house well (Greek: Kalos - beautifully, finely, excellently), having his children in submission (Greek: Hupotage - obedience, subjection) with all reverence (Greek : Semnotes- honour, purity )(for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); You might be inclined to give him this one. It all depends on the spirit of what God is talking about here. Rule as a dictator or as a benevolent monarch.

15. not a novice (Greek: Neophutos - a new convert, neophyte (one who has recently become a Christian), lest being puffed up with pride (Greek Tuphoo: blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid ) he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. How many times has he told COS his story of the 12 men who came to him and begged him to be their pastor!!!! How old was he and what qualifications did he have???

16. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. Is there anyone outside of COS that speaks well of Drummond?????

So out of 16 points that are required of a Bishop he has 2 or 3 of them depending how generous you feel that day. If only the people at COS would actually read their Bibles without the Drummond blinders.

[Post #12 removed at request of the original poster. If someone else would like to submit and email telling about the alleged corrupt business dealings that would be great.]

Thanks to everyone (God Included) who has supported the effort to vindicate the innocents who suffered abuses by the hands and lips of Dr. Frederick Drummond and other members whom prey on weaker vessels.

I hereby grant permission to parties public and private to freely copy and distribute the whole of this text for any purpose(s).

This letter is not intended to offend or betray the trust of the members making up the body of Christ but rather to make those who would hear the truth in love aware of the constant manipulation, twisting of the truth and mind control spoon fed from the pulpit.

I am convinced that the majority of the Church members consist of well meaning people who are true believers. However there are a few who are interested only in control, power and money.

When I began attending services and various functions in the summer of 1995 as a guest of an active and prominent member Gary, my state of mind was troubled. I was young and open to new ideals. My mother and I attended many services both on Sundays and Wednesdays as well as many other events. I was captivated by the energy of the Musicians and singers. I sensed the presence of God and believed. To this day I still believe that God works through all men to the satisfaction of his will.

I truly believed that Dr. Fred was a Holy man (self proclaimed Prophet) with spiritual insight. He is a gifted speaker. The most convincing man I know. He had what seemed like a perfect family. He drove expensive cars. He was successful! His version of the Gospel seemed real and genuine. I was prepared to give my life to the ministry and would have if not for a few who shared some dark secrets of the church (many are yet to be revealed). Looking back I should have spilled my guts about what I knew, but I was intimidated as were many others.

I did not make friends very easily at first, but it seemed that I was accepted among the younger crowd (Matt H, Mike S, Michelle, Lauren, Ryan, Stephen, David, Elijah, Eric, Andrew, Matt C, Joseph, Kate, Daniel, Marcus, Justin,) (Sorry if I left you out).

Within a short time I was enrolled as a student in the grade school program Philadelphia Academy for Boys and Girls. Transitioning to PABG from public school was a challenge for me because of the ridged atmosphere imposed on the students and staff. I was grateful to have Brenda C as a principle and spiritual mentor. I was glad to get my diploma in a peaceful and disciplined environment. However wicked the acts of a few I was changed forever by the graceful example put forth by Douglas Sands and many others.

At the same time I enrolled into PABG my mother became a student at the other school program, Grace Institute of Biblical Studies (unaccredited and expensive). She worked hard and graduated in the summer of 1998. Over the next few years she was given various responsibilities within a few ministries, some counseling and a leadership position within the Agape Fellowships.

By that time I was disenchanted by the demonology mantra (complex networks of demons) and I was loosing interest in the ever expanding list of curses and demonic forces that were supposedly plaguing the Church. This was mainly due to a lack of hard biblical documentation on the use of the name of Christ and laying of hands to justify the constant deliverance services. I just wanted to be a better person; demons or not.

On several occasions I was called into the offices of Leaders who accused me of having homosexual affairs as well as heterosexual encounters with one of my classmates. I assure you this is untrue. I was told that the Holy Spirit had spoken to the steering committee about these issues and there could be no mistake. I was shocked and furious. How could the Holy Spirit be a liar? How could God let that happen? That was the moment I knew I had to get out while I still had a will of my own.

While looking for information to help with the healing process of escaping cult groups I came across some information that helped me I realize parts of Drummond’s scheme.

Drummond employs common mind control practices some of which are outlined below. The programming process begins by wiping your conscience clean; you are then kept on the edge of your pew (now pretty chairs) with fear and guilt. Please keep in mind that these practices are common. Most hypnotists (ironically considered demonic by this church), churches, cults, and even sales seminars use these methods to unrivaled success to bring about behavioral changes and sales.

1. Abnormal levels of emotion inducing guilt and acute apprehension. “You're destined for hell.” (Conviction) (You desperately need…)

2. Salvation (clean slate) (Repentance) The mind is open to new suggestion. “You’re destined for heaven.” (Salvation)

3. Positive or negative stimuli to provoke desired behavior patterns. (suggestion) (tithe and offering) etc.

4. Reinforcement of suggestion through repetitive prayer, singing, and visual aids.

5. Various uses of lighting, music (sound effects), and temperature to evoke desired effects.

To be honest I was ashamed to be living as a pawn for the pleasure/profit of a few, so I left along with so many others. Several years later my mother also found an alternative group of believers.

I recently attended services at Church of Our Savior, and was astonished by the blindness of many members. Most were unwilling to speak to me. Dr. Drummond himself seemed nervous and unsure. He said he is praying for my mother and I every day. I said only “Goodbye”. There was no mention of wrong doing by anyone. The issue of abuses was not addressed. There was no mention of a vote. No mention of innocent victims, just business as usual at PhillyCOS.

It would be shameful to the Kingdom for me to keep quiet while Fred is Leading. Therefore I will continue to go and speak my mind until I am removed.

Please take what I have written here with a grain of salt. If you are unsure, see for yourself.

If you wish to contact me for any reason please forward e-mail to the page administrator and I will gladly respond.

I did a little research on the Florida & Delaware web sites and found the following corporations associated with Drummond or has his side-kicks as officers.

F.A.D. CAPITAL, LLC (click, then type FAD)

How many other corporations in how many other states are there? I think this could be a very interesting start for someone to look into <wink> <wink>.

Fell free to post to website but please do not use any other information that might identify me.

Hello. You have my explicit approval to post my comments below. May it help others find release. God bless you for your persistence.

The second posting from August 24, 2004 contains a very good summary of abuses at COS. However, I would just like to add a few comments to serve as a warning to those who are thinking about joining the church or have loved ones who are joining. You are likely to hear a number of rebuttals to the concerns you raise. The leadership (Drummond and the Steering committee) are smooth manipulators of the truth, extremely knowledgeable about the Bible and can quote any number of Scriptures to support their position and make you feel foolish. They are so zealous to see their agenda come to pass, they believe any lie that hastens its accomplishment is a good lie.

As others have mentioned, the COS façade is extremely compelling and attractive. They prey on people’s sincerity and love of God and unless you are “honored” enough to make it into their inner circle, you might go for years without being exposed to the evil within. That is why so many people are deceived and manipulated.

As a member of the church for the past three years, I was aware of the contents of this website and out of my ignorance I made some of the same objections you are likely to hear from those hooked into this cult:

“You have to look at the fruits of this ministry; if Dr Drummond were all those things people say he is, do you think his wife and all four children would continue to serve the church?”

“You cannot deny the love of God is here. If this was a cult, would you expect to find such normal, kind, loving people in it?”

“My life is undeniably better now than it was before I came here, that should be proof enough that the rumors are false.”

“This church is full of life; people are getting saved and added to the church all the time!”

“Jesus is the head of this church, but God calls a man, and that man calls people to his cause.” (Note: The only Man God was ever dependent on to accomplish His will was Jesus—not Drummond!)

This sampling of arguments is hard to fight through. Remind them that the people who have spoken out are not disgruntled jerks; they are extremely credible members who had nothing to gain by speaking out but a clear conscience before God. Remind them that God will never go against His Word to accomplish His purposes (“For You have magnified Your word above all Your name” Psalm 138:2). The best thing you can do for them is pray that God will open their eyes to the truth. People will only receive the truth when they desire it wholeheartedly. Finally, tell them that the prophetic “door” that God wants to open in ‘004 is contained in John 10:7-10 “Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.” Jesus wants to set them free from the lies and deception.

Despite all of the promises from the Steering Committee that “change in the works”, the changes they are proposing are like putting a band-aid on a cancerous tumor. Unless God intervenes dramatically, I believe they will never turn from the fundamental evil that rules over COS.

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I was a member of COS for close to 20 years. About eight years ago after being placed under church discipline for not submitting to issues I believed to be unbiblical, I led my family, actually God led us, to leave . I have endured much of what all the others have stated including sexual harassment. Not wanting to be repetitive as so many have exhausted most of those issues, may I encourage those who have left COS and are leaving but let me first qualify what I'm about to say. I think it's good and proper though unfortunate that these discussions are necessary but such is the reality in God's Kingdom. And I have to believe that in God's timing He will bring this to an end. May it be now Lord! But as in anything that has it's God given place, if we want it to much it can rule our lives & hearts and thus we worship him (FAD) all the more.

After seeing so many leave the church during the years of being a member, I remember as God was leading us out that I didn't want to end up a casualty like so many others. Never finding their way to a good church of God's choice. Just wondering around afraid to commit. So many coined the cliché "he's not as big as God" yet if you gauge what so many dwell on, it appeared to be more anger and bitterness than the message of God's Grace and salvation. God took a backseat to "The Crusade". I don't mean to judge anyone, (not even the leadership at COS. They will have plenty to answer to before the Lord). I remember after leaving, people came out of the woodwork to "get me on the bandwagon". I know they meant well but I hoped for more than dwelling on my personal hurts and disappointments, and there were plenty. I had to believe God always was and still is in control.

I more than understand the hurts one goes through leaving a place with so many friends at the church simply because you can't stay with a pure conscience but we are called to serve God. I believed god gave me a passage of scripture when we left which has so encouraged me and led me to a good place. In Jeremiah chap. 15 with all his desire for God's truth contrast by the condition of other men's hearts, God said " if you remove the precious from the vile you shall be as my mouth". I agree with one of you e-mails which declares all the good God did in their lives while at COS. I hope to be able to take the same care for people that I experienced at COS from the members there where ever God may lead me. It grieves me though that those members faithful to the Lord are so often criticized for being overly caring. Who shall judge their hearts. I owe God much including my salvation to His working there! That right God can and does work there. No one can thwart God's will.

God did lead us to a church after COS that we have had the privilege to serve our lord in since we left. We don't agree with everything but I believe God led us there to be challenged in our understanding of His truth (we are not the absolute), change or some times be content in apparent disagreement. I think of those called to carry the Ark of the Covenant. How they were commanded not to touch it and when those tried to keep it from falling with what they thought was for a good cause were still smitten by God, we should all be careful to fulfill our responsibility before the Lord to inform others and I believe so many are doing a great job of doing that, but others may not be as fortunate. Please allow the Lord to heal you in your wounds of betrayal and rest assured the Lord was always there, saw every incident and for reasons unknown to us allowed them to take place knowing of His own ability to heal if we continue to focus on Him.

May God bless and have mercy on all our sin.

If you notice on this site Solomon trust sold the property in California around the same that Freddie O took the property in Florida from Solomon trust and put it in his name, he is being smart because Florida and Texas are the only states where no matter what happens to you, you can never loose your home, it the Homestead act. I believe Solomon Trust was Liquidated and he moved on like before with O'Shea. Once people know the names he uses he moves on and also because of bad business practice because all his company's are front so he can launder money from the church, the list is endless of company's he uses for this feature. ...just another link to add... http://www.paloaltoonline.com/weekly/morgue/2002/2002_09_13.sales13.htmlIf you are interested I have the article from the maple shade paper and also the article from the inquirer as well from 1992. if you want to scan them and post them if you can obtain permission for that. . . [Webmaster note: I'm not going to pursue getting permission to post the articles, but this should tell you that they are out there and you can obtain them if you want to.]
P.S the mortgage for the property ran from 1977 ish to 1997 and the payment was about 2,000 dollars a month, easily a wed night offering, when you look at it like that and then add the fact they refinanced and laid off a lot of people and during my employment there i was paid a low low salary and never just work my hours cause if you didn't go above and beyond it was frowned upon, make you wonder how much they were making. . ..

So, where do I start? As of August 2004, COS was reeling from accusations against Dr. Drummond himself as well as some of the "steering committee". Accusations of manipulation, deceit, cover up and sexual molestation. Yes, sexual molestation. One young man that worked closely with Dr. Drummond while on his sabbatical in Miami Florida for a few years, accused Dr. Drummond of sexually molesting him while under Dr. Drummond's employ. The young man also claimed spiritual abuse, verbal abuse and sexual approaches in general. Dr. Drummond admitted to these things in a church wide member meeting 8/10/04. Other members of the steering committee also admitted in closed door meetings that they had also been sexually approached, touched, patted, squeezed, and verbally demoralized day after day while working with Drummond as well. One steering committee member, Grace Bellingham was ready to talk and admit it openly but after Dr. Drummond had a chance to sway her yet again, she said nothing and continues to act as if nothing happened. Please keep in mind that this was not a one time thing, but has continued to occur for the entire 32 plus years that COS has been there.

Amazingly enough, more reports started to pour in and members old and new were awe struck to say the least. As of today 8/23/04 over 100 members, besides myself have decided to leave. There's been business and tax fraud committed against several member owned businesses, one of which went bankrupt after lending $700,000 of his personal income to Drummond so that he could build his yacht. All of it has been under the guise of "You'll be doing the Kingdom of God a favor by..." or "It's the call of God on your life to support this or that and if you don't you'll be out of the will of God for your life..." Some of the things done to member owned companies were so bad off that Dr. Drummond had one of his closest associates burn and destroy the accounting records, check stubs and all proof that it was ever done. Some of the information though, remains. It's enough evidence to send both Dr. Drummond and his associate to jail. They've denied it openly and have admitted to it behind closed doors. They've lied and manipulated for their own gain. They've been fleecing the flock and taking great advantage of the members and their income for years. And all of this happened under the watchful eye of the "steering committee". They say today that they didn't know what was happening, but the truth is that they've known for years and have continued to cover it up.

Enough about that. More things that you should know are that COS is just about if not already bankrupt and has been running that way for a good many years. We've had several church splits over the years every time some of the truth gets uncovered and some leave and some stay. Those that stay continue to rebuild. The congregation gets to about 300 or so and stays there. Over the past couple of years we've had some building projects started where everyone gets excited about opening a new building and growing to possibly 4, 5, 6, or even 700. Then something goes wrong, we can't get financing or approval from the township and the project stops. But what happens to the money we've raised up to that point? Good question. Do you know that the congregation at COS gives 10% of their gross income as a tithe to the church in the name of God, as they should. It's spoken of clearly in the scriptures. Then on top of that they give an offering and for many it's usually another 5 - 10%. Special offerings are sprinkled throughout the year for this or that, but nonetheless, they give a lot and yet the church continues to run at a deficit weekly?

COS raised $1.7 million for the last "Arise and Build" building project but when we started the new one this year all of that was never mentioned. When it came time to get financing for the loan to build (the loan also including some heavy refinancing of church debt etc. of which the members knew nothing of) the bank would not approve the church by itself. The bank wanted co-signers, members of the congregation to sign for the loan. So, David Durham, Drummond's right hand slick man, went to work and found 3 of the more affluent church members, business owners, etc to sign for the loan again under the guise of, "You'll be doing the Kingdom of God a favor...it's your calling to do so...it's the will of God for your life...and so on." But the bible says do not become surety for a friend, in other words do not co-sign for a friend, it's funny how that got overlooked. So in all reality these 3 men could be left holding the bag on this loan and believe it's happened before and I wouldn't put it past Drummond doing it again. He left 2 of his members holding the bill on two maxed out AMEX cards that he used to traipse around Europe for a year. Oh well, it's God's will for you don't you know? Yeah, it's God's will that their credit be destroyed so that you could live high in the name of God?!?

If you or one of your relatives or friends has joined this church, visited or is looking into it, please warn them. You must intervene! God worked all things together for good for me because I didn't get close enough to Dr. Drummond. But had I, God only knows what would have happened. God is not restricted and can still work in people's lives wondrously and miraculously without them being at COS. COS is not the only church that preaches God's word in truth. Look elsewhere if you're looking. COS will drain you utterly and completely if not destroy or seriously scare your life. Avoid it and if you've just left with the many others, can I suggest the book "Toxic Faith" it's amazingly eye opening. Lord Bless you in your decision making process, I know that if you will seek God wholeheartedly He will answer you and tell you as well to avoid this place. If you have questions that you'd like answers to in regard to COS please feel free to email me at [From the web master - I do not publish email addresses or names, but if you do want to contact this person I will forward your email to this person]

Hello. I don't know how updated these sites are. I have written before; now I am writing again. And yes, you may publish this information on your website. You have my direct, explicit permission. I just came out of a long time of prayer and I was compelled to prayer for ESCA/Church of our Saviour in light of the recent events of the past few weeks. I hope that some people who have left the church during this most recent split may read this, and know that my prayers are with them. I don't know how to contact many of these people, because I have lost contact with them since I left around early 2000. But if anyone sees this and has contact with these people, please let them know how much love and support they have. And true, Godly love and support. And if anyone wants to chat, they can e-mail me back, too. [From the web master - I do not publish email addresses or names, but if you do want to contact this person I will forward your email to this person] While I pray for all who were hurt and wounded, I am particularly prayerful about the two young men - brothers EA and EA - who spoke out . It took courage to do what they did. I did not know the younger one, but the older one had a gentleness and compassion that was very effective in his ministry. I also pray for some of the "heavy hitters" who were so deeply entrenched in the church, you thought they would never leave. One of them, BC, befriended me early in the church days and I am indebted to her kindness. The other, CO, was one of the few people who contacted me when I first left the church. While I did not take the bait to come back, I feel her efforts were done in sincerity. I also pray for those still blinded. I believe that now is the time for a real move of God in that ministry. Now, with some major allegations revealed, some trusted Godly people leaving, perhaps others will come forth. Not in malice, not in anger (though justifiably so for many) but to see God's justice done. What has happened in this church is an affront to God and to permit it, to stay, to align oneself with it is to promote sin. I really pray that people will be released from fear, bondage, and torment, and see that God can do a major work of restoration here. There does not need to be a Drummond church - just God's church. And if the other members can see that, turn to GOD - the only wise, the only sovereign, the most High God, and let go of their church membership, their identity, their pride, and say "THIS IS WRONG AND NOT OF A HOLY GOD" then healing can flow. And I pray for those who have fallen away or are on the verge of falling away because of abuse, or of these scandalous events. Drummond isn't GOD, GOD is still GOD. To let go of God is to fall prey to Satan. Don't let Satan have you - you are too precious. Ok - I don't want to belabor this. Time to go. May God bless you all.

First off, I should tell you a little about myself aside from that crazy place. I'm 23 years old, and I was raised as a minister's daughter on a farm in northern Chester County where I still live today. After high school, I wasn't sure what I wanted to do with my life, so I decided not to go on to college. Feeling stuck in the dead-end job thing, I took my best friend up on an invite. She had invited me to visit the new church her parents had began attending. She told me there were plenty of kids our age that went there, so I took her up on it. The first time I went there, it was on a Saturday afternoon during the choir practice. It was that day that I met Jonathan, the man I would end up marrying... if I had only known. Shortly thereafter, we began dating, and everyone was so sickeningly sweet to me because I was new, and they wanted me to stay at the church. I soon noticed that there was a strange "vibe" whenever we were together around other church members. See, they kind of looked down on us because we hadn't asked permission from "leadership" to date. Other couples wouldn't hang out with us, and none of the other girls wanted to be my friend because I was "living in sin" by spending most of my time with a member of the opposite sex un-chaperoned. How ridiculous, right? After all, we were both adults, but they still wanted control. Even his parents treated me like I had the plague. I wasn't allowed in their house, and I was instructed not to talk to his younger siblings, and if I called their house, they hung up on me. What had I done wrong? So I was made to feel like a criminal right off the bat. For about nine months, I lived with a family of the church in Delaware so I could be closer to go to Bible college there. {Oh yeah.... the college is called Grace Institute of Biblical Studies (GIBS). And the grade school was called Philadelphia Academy for Boys and Girls (PABG), but I'm pretty sure they just changed the name to Concordville Preparatory Shool and I even felt like an outsider there. They wouldn't let me watch television in the house, gave me a curfew, and other manipulative things. And yes, I even paid rent to live there. Not long after I moved back home, Jonathan and I learned that we were expecting a baby. Well, we broke the news to each of our families (mine always HATED his for obvious reasons) and a wedding was quickly planned. Suddenly, everyone wanted to be my friend, and the girls just thought I was "so cute" pregnant. The guys all gave Jonathan a macho pat on the back, and things seemed to be going in a better direction. Gag me with a frickin spoon. So I slapped on a smile, and pretended to like everyone again. Well, we married when I was six months pregnant, and lived an hour away from the church property (near where my family lives). Jonathan spent every free moment either at the church or with "the guys." I could see that it was beginning to ruin our marriage, because the church was putting pressure on him to spend more of his time there for "work days" (when the members provide free labor to clean up the church property) which happened QUITE often. Being extremely pregnant and extremely annoyed with the church, I began to make myself scarce at the services. Some of the adult women began to call me and pretend to be interested in my newlywed problems and assured me that if I only came back to church, God would work them out for me. After my son was born, I went to a few services, and that was the last I ever saw of that place. I remember laying in the hospital, having just given birth the day before, arguing with my husband because he wanted to go to church the next day instead of bring me and his newborn son home from the hospital. (just to give you an idea of the loyalty that's ingrained in their brains). One night, I came home from my parent's house with my son, who was then two months old, and my husband was sitting on the couch watching basketball. I turned off the television, and demanded his attention. I'd had enough. Now, I'm not proud of what happens next, but it's essential to the chain of events. It was about 11pm, and we began arguing pretty loudly. We lived in an apartment building, and one of the neighbors called the police because we were bothering them. I am by no means a violent person by nature, but when my child or myself are being treated like shit... watch out. The argument turned physical. I grabbed my husband's arms to make him look at me, and he grabbed mine. Just about then, the cops showed up at my door. I suddenly realized what I was doing, and let go. My son was crying in his baby seat, so I picked him up and was going to nurse him (which was his only means of nutrition at that age). My husband showed the cops his arms, and they saw that there was broken skin (no blood) and arrested me right then and there. They made me hand over my newborn son and took me away. My husband had lied to them and said that the baby was formula-fed. This is a man who had grown up in the church, and was supposed to have all the Christian values. I had never left my husband alone with my son before, because I never felt comfortable. In the back of my mind, I think I knew. I warned the police not to let him leave with my son, because I feared he'd flee to Delaware and dammit, I was right. The carted me off to jail for the night, and there I sat till the next day, when my brother-in-law (who happens to be a cop elsewhere) pulled some strings to get me out due to emergency purposes. I went to my parents' house, and they had already hired a lawyer to get my son back. My mother and I drove to Wilmington (to his parent's house) to see if we could get my son back, and we waited around all day in front of an empty house. Hours later, they came home, and my husband told me he was keeping the baby. I was told his mother had the baby, and was hiding somewhere with him. They called the police to come and tell us to leave, so we did. Crushed, my mother and I drove the hour back home WITHOUT my son. It seemed none of the cops were on my side. I hadn't fed my son in over 24 hours, and the police didn't care. The whole [Jonathan's family] was hiding my son from me, with the assistance of certain church members, and there was nothing I could do about it. The next day, my lawyer, my parents and I rushed to get an emergency court order for custody IN BOTH STATES and by the end of the day, I had my son back at long last. I couldn't press charges against my husband for kidnapping because they said he had a right to take him, being his biological father. What a crock. All that happened in the end of October, 2001. We were married in April of 2001, so if you do the math, we only lived together six months. None of my so-called "friends" have tried to contact me since I left, because they're instructed no to associate with people that leave the church. So, we've been separated ever since, and a week before Thanksgiving, I finally saw the light, and filed for divorce. He doesn't see his son, nor does he send me any support.. that's another long story, but don't worry, I'm after him for it. I don't want him to even see my son, who is 2 years old now. He hasn't seen him in over a year. The courts gave him UNSUPERVISED visitations with him FULLY KNOWING that they had kidnapped him from me for two days. Pretty discouraging, when I'm really the victim here, right? The system sucks sometimes. Phew, deep breath. Okay, on to the Drummond's. When I began attending the church, Dr. Drummond had just began his "sebatical" in sunny Florida with two of his sons Steven, and David, and trusty sidekicks, [names removed - these two are not associated anymore with Drummond]. I thought it odd that his wife didn't move with him, and she lived in a shoddy, drafty apartment next to the guys' dorms. On the rare occasion that he did come and visit his loyal drones, it was like royalty was coming to town. I specifically remember working in one of the flower beds, and he was perambulating the campus flanked by the two aforementioned [names removed - these two are not associated anymore with Drummond] boys. They RARELY left his side, which I thought was weird. I remember him standing in the pulpit bragging about his Excalibur, his Bentley, and living in a rich neighborhood in South Africa (that's where he's from). I never liked him personally, but pretended to because my husband idolized him, as did the rest of the congregation. He also spent a good deal of time with Grace - one of the women in "leadership." She made frequent trips to his home in Florida- the address of which none of the regular church members were privy to. Oh yeah. This Grace is a married woman, too. She spent more time with him than Mrs. Drummond did. Another thing I thought was odd. So there Big D sits... in the lap of luxury. Fine dining, disgustingly expensive cars, a yacht, a house full of younger men who idolize him, and Grace at his beckon call. Meanwhile, back at the cult, everyone misses him, and they hang on every word when Mrs. Drummond reads his letters to the congregation. The Drummond boys were much desired among the younger girls of the church. Marrying a Drummond meant you had arrived. I also remember whenever Dr. Drummond came to town, he made it a point to say to my husband, "How's my special boy?" See, the [Jonathan's family] lived with the Drummond's when Jonathan was a young boy. Later, I learned that Jonathan had been sexually abused as a child, but wouldn't tell me who. It's entirely possible that he was molested by Dr. Drummond, but I guess I'll never know for sure. I have a source I get information from periodically, and last I heard, Drummond had moved back to Concordville, PA. I remember when I was a student in the college there, they had "work weeks." During these weeks, all the college students had to contribute to the maintenance of the building and grounds, but still pay the $100 tuition for the week. So, basically, we were paying them so we could work there. When I questioned this, it was explained to me that this was all part of spiritual growth. I was only a student there for a year and a half, and then I dropped out when I found out I was pregnant. Since my father is a minister, I asked if he could perform the marriage ceremony at my wedding, and they said that since his practices weren't familiar to them, that he couldn't. Weird again. I also remember David Durham (one of Drummond's right hand men) pounding the pulpit with his fist, rebuking the church members for not giving enough money to the church. I don't know if you've seen it or not, but I keep in contact with a guy my age who left the church also, and he found an interesting web site you'd probably be interested in. I'll forward it to you. I've also got a bunch of articles from (oh, i forget what newspaper it was, and i'm too lazy to go and look right now) that you'd be quite delighted to read. I'll see if I can get them to you also. Well, are your eyes tired yet? I'm full of stories about that place. My brain is pretty drained right now (I've been typing for quite a while, and it's almost 1 am), so I'm gonna go for now... but as I remember things, I'll e-mail you with them. The vast majority of the people at that church have absolutely NO CLUE what kind of person he really is, and if you try to tell them, they don't want to hear any of it. Needless to say, getting the word out about him is no easy task, I know. Ah, my best friend from the beginning of this story?........ She and her family have also left the church, and we are still best friends. OH, I just remembered... Grace and her husband, Richard, have recently changed their last name to [new last name]...not the first name change for Richard, either. His original last name was [original name] (not sure on spelling). I also know of other people there that have changed their names according to "leadership" recommendation. Hm... I wonder if they're also changing their social security numbers also. And none of this is weird to the rest of the church members... no one questions ANYTHING. Scary, right? Okay, that's it for now. Really. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, [she signed her name] in PA.

Practically raised in this church I feel I have much to contribute to this site, whether it be to expose more evils or to save some poor soul from a lifetime of anguish and incurable heartache. Questionable situations such as child abuse, sexual abuse, and verbal abuse are what I'm serving up on this platter. Some say it's mind control, I say its perverted people in a position of power feeding on the weak. As a child I was told to obey and not to question authority. This being taught to a child in a normal lifestyle instills values with proper boundaries, unfortunately these words in an improper lifestyle instills no values, only fear. We didn't respect them we feared them, feared the beatings they had waiting for us around every corner. I'm not speaking of a slap or two on the rear-end either, I'm speaking of cruel and vicious beatings. Imagine being held down against your will while getting a "spanking" so severe you were bleeding. I would scream for Jesus to help me at the top of my lungs, but the beatings went on. On the subject of sexual abuse, I was told we were to cover our brethren and that if I didn't forgive them God would never forgive me for anything wrong I had done. If I spoke of it I was sowing discord among the brethren. Please read Matthew 18:15-17 to see what the proper action for the "leadership" should have been for these situations if they were truly following God's word. The "leadership" always swept these matters right under the rug. They were right, we were wrong. They are housing pedophiles there, once again it's the strong preying on the weak. It wasn't only me but many children experienced the pain of which I speak. It is wrong and disgusting and we were all made to believe that it was our fault as if we had asked for it in our letters to santa claus. I believe every word from the woman who wrote the first letter on this site, and as I'm sorry for what you went through with your baby boy I am thankful that you saw the light and did not allow your son to be thrown into the fire as well, because your husband at the time would have let all of these things happen to your child without a raise of his own eyebrows. I hope you and your son are well. As for the name changes, maybe molestation charges are to blame. I could be wrong but so many of us know how "uncle r" likes to fondle little girls. I can only say what I know is fact. Word to the wise, just because I only know in fact of little girls doesn't mean that someone else out there knows for sure that he has also mishandled little boys. I believe that evil rules this place and it should be crushed to the ground so that no-one may fall prey to these sick devils ever again. They are all wolves in sheep's clothing and should be avoided at all cost. If there is anyone else out there who knows anything please come forward. I fear for my life as well as my family's or else I could really drop the ball but who is going to protect us? I firmly believe these people are capable of anything, including murder to cover their own ass. There are to many coincidences, including this. Please read Ezekiel 23 the whole chapter. Then go to the Maple Shade newspaper archives in the year 2000 and read about a fire that left 17 people homeless. Coincidence?