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Are they deadly?

What is the best species of giant centipede for a beginner?

Is there a difference in the centipede hobby in different parts of the world?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are they deadly?


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To my knowledge there has not been a single case in which centipede venom was conclusively proven to have killed anyone.

There is a common reference to a Filipino girl in the 1950's who was bit on the head on the head and died. I have read a cite to the original reference in The Biology of Centipedes by Lewis, 1981 so i expect *something* happened. As it was a Scolopendra subspinipes that bit her, and that is one of the nastiest species for a human to get bit by, i suspect that their is the potential for some kind of truth here. S. subspinipes subspinipes and S. s. dehaani can cause some pretty impressive local soft tissue swelling. i would easily believe that a bite to the head/neck area could swell the soft tissue to the point that some critical blood flow was interupted or something like that.

Another case cited is that of a Turkish or Greek man that was bit by S. morsitans and died of necrotizing fasciatus. I have problem saying that "the centipede bite killed him" as it was a bacteria that actually killed him. It would be akin to saying a cat scratch killed someone when it was the complicating infection that actually killed them. While i have little doubt the centipede bite played a role in the man's death i have a VERY hard time saying it was even the primary cause.

There are a few more spotty references that can be found in online and print literature and a few more rumors of fatalities floating around. Due to the complete dearth of fully substatiatable centipede caused human fatalities i would have to say that i do NOT consider centipedes to be deadly to humans... but some species do deserve a healthy respect.

"The lethal dose for all subjects (LD100) in juvenile mice was found to be 0.01 venom glands per gram body weight, which might account for the lack of human lethality (extrapolating to humans, the contents of almost 1000 venom glands would be required for a fatal sting in an average adult)."
http://www.wemjournal.org/pdfserv/i1080-6032-012-02-0093.pdf
the above is refering to either Scolopendra heros or Scolopendromorpha in general, it is unclear from the reading which is meant.

"No fatality due to a centipede sting has ever been reported in the United States, although 1 fatality was reported following a sting by a large specimen of S subspinipes (the same species responsible for cases 3 and 4 in our series) to the head of a small Filipino child.14"
http://www.wemjournal.org/pdfserv/i1080-6032-012-02-0093.pdf
references:
Remington CL. The bite and habits of a giant centipede
(Scolopendra subspinipes) in the Philippine Islands. Am J
Trop Med. 1950;30:453–455.

What is the best species of giant centipede for a beginner?


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This is a hard question to answer, as the question might mean different things to different people. To my way of thinking, one must first identify what the key attributes are for a beginner centipede. A list of possible attributes would include: venom potency, price, size at purchase, maximum attainable size, color (at purchase/as a pling might be different than adult colors which might be different than oldling colors), availability, ease of care/resiliancy of species, and possibly locality (if you want to catch your own). Typically, the highest concern *seems* to be the venomousness of the species, so i will discuss that first.

Venom
There are a number of "highly" venomous species. Scolopendra subspinipes is probably the most venomous species (regarding human reactivity) commonly available in the trade. It is possible that some of the S. subspinipes subspecies and localities might not be that bad to get tagged by... but some will give you days of local swelling and pain akin to a broken bone. It is possible they have some general affects, too. Some people go to the hosptical for a subspinipes bite... i have yet to taste this venom yet... but i expect i will home treat myself ;)

S. heros and S. alternans are also fairly terrible to get bit by.

A number of species seem to have very mild venom. Scolopocryptops spp., Theatops spp., S. polymorpha, S. viridis, Hemiscolopendra marginata, S. morsitans (EGYPTIAN EMERALD ONLY!!), Ethomostigmus sp. trigonopodus (BLUE (RING) LEGS ONLY!!!) all seem to have relativey inoffensive venoms.

Price
Prices vary by world location (U.S. centipedes are cheaper in the U.S. etc...) but i will try to provide some general guidelines. You will typically pay as much for a CH (captive hatched) or CBB (captive bred and born) baby as for a WC (wild caught) adult.

In the U.S. S. polymorpha are collected by a number of hobbyists and dealers and are typically available for $20USD2007 or less. Globally S. subspinipes are widely available. You can typically find adults for ~$35USD2007 from online dealers. Ethmostigmus spp. are seemingly widely available for less than $30. The various locality/colorforms of S. morsitans are periodically available globally and should be at or under $20.

In the U.S. S. gigantea, S. robusta, S. viridicornis are not commonly available and adults go for upwards of $300 sometimes. Expecct babies to sell for $50-$100.

Globally those three king species seem slightly more available... but are still not going to be cheap!

Size at purchase
Generally speaking, the vast majority of centipedes available for trade or purchase are WC (wild caught). It seems like there are not that many WC "babies", so most babies are likely from someone captive hatching a brood (or a small chance it is an actual captive bred specimen).

Typically, larger centipedes are easier to keep alive than smaller ones. Small centipedes can dehydrate to death in an unbelievably short amount of time... especially if you are used to baby scorpions or tarantulas that are typically much more resistant to dessication. Smaller centipedes can fit out of amazingly small holes, so any caging solution must use pinholes for ventilation and that is it! This will also help to retain moisture in a centipede's container.

Something to consider... it seems like older, larger centipedes are more prone to mysteriously dying on an owner... this could be an "old age" thing or it could be that larger specimens are not paid as much consideration as smaller ones... i personally sort of think it is a care issue but it is something to think about.

Touching back on price, sometimes a dealer will have a few sizes of centipedes available and will charge more for the larger sizes and less for the smaller sizes. Sometimes they price all their specimens the same. You might even be able to request a smaller or larger centipede if a dealer has more than one.

Maximum size
Some people want to have a big cent... others want to start with a smaller individual. Knowing the "normal" adult size and what a giant can attain might help a newbie make a decision.

The longest/largest you could expect a centipede's body length to reach is about 16"/40cm... but there might be 10-1000 of those on the planet and none in captivity. As far as pet trade is concerned the largest speccies might hit 12"/30cm body length (not counting legs and/or antenna) but 8"/20cm is MUCH more reasonable expectation.

Largest species (8"/20cm average; 12"/30cm monster length): Scolopendra subspinipes subspinipes, S. subspinipes de haani, S. gigantea, S. robusta, S. galapogoensis, S. heros, S. alternans.
Largish species (4-5"/10-13cm average; 7-8"/18-20cm monster): Scolopendra subspinipes mutilans, Ethmostigmus spp., Scolopendra polymorpha.
Medium species (3-4"/8-10cm average; 5+"/13+cm monster): Scolopendra viridis, Scolopocryptops spp., S. morsitans. Rhysida spp., S. mirabilis
Smaller species (<=3"/8cm average; 4"/10cm monster): Hemiscolopendra marginata, Theatops spp.

Color
Color would seem like a straight forward attribute... the centipede is pretty to you or it is not... and for the most part that is the case.. But, some centipedes have baby/juvenile coloration that changes, sometimes significantly, as they grow. It would be too hard for me to list all the species that can change color as they grow, but just be aware that the amazingly colored pedeling of today might not maintain that coloration for its entire life.

Another note about color... this is true more in the tarantula world, but probably bears mentioning here... some colors, especially the cooler colors (blues and greens, i mean) sometimes show up as black in "real" life for live viewing. Pictures taken in full sunlight or with a flash tend to show a creature's colors to the best effect. Also, there is variation in coloration amongst individuals... some individuals in a species might be more spectacularily colored than others. A dealer's stock picture is almost certainly NOT the individual your are going to purchase. Some dealers might be able to provide a picture of the actual specimen you are interested in purchasing, if a specific coloration is important to you.

Availability
In the USA the state of the centipede hobby is WAY behind the state of scorpion and tarantula hobby. In the tarantula hobby it is possible to find virtually any but the newest species available as CH or CBB. In the scorpion hobby there is a wide range of available captive produced scorpions, with only a few problematic genera really resisting the trend. In the centipede hobby... well, you have to take babies where you can get them. The vast majority of captive produced offspring are the results of wild gravid mothers laying captive hatched broods. So basically availability is generally limited to whatever the dealers import. The practical upshot of this is that a dealer who has a certain species today might not have it a month from now, so snooze at your peril.
Ease of care/Resiliancy of species
Like i said earlier... typically the larger the centipede the easier it is to keep alive. Generally all centipedes are going to require roughly the same care conditions and be about equally easy to care for and resiliant... with a few possible exceptions. Scolopendra polymorpha seem like just about the toughest centipedes i have ever kept. Even little babies seem to be tougher than average. They seem the most resistant to dehydration of any of the 15+ species i have kept. S. mirabilis ("neon blue leg") seem like they might be some of the trickiest species... which is a shame cuz they are gorgeous. One other possible caveat is that montane type locality species seem more prone to wasting away than desert and jungle species. I think this *might* be due to living too much of the year at too high of a temperature, but i am certainly not sure that there is a problem, much less what the cause could be.
Locality
If you want to try to catch your own and you live in the USA then you are in luck. The most excellent Rowland Shelley has an Amazing Website that lists all the species of Scolopendromorpha (giant) centipedes found in the U.S. From his website i put together a state by state guide: USA State Index that probably needs some updating at i was recently given R. Shelley's 2002. A synopsis of the North American centipedes of the order Scolopendromorpha (Chilopoda). Memoir of the Virginia Museum of Natural History. 5:1–108. so i probably need to do some touch up work now that i am not looking at gif maps from Shelley's website :D

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I am not an expert and have little formal training in buggery. Er, wait a minute...
Anyhow, everything expressed in my web page is only my opinion unless stated (and cited) differently. So take it all with a rather large grain of salt.
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