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Posted by Jerry Cary on December 21, 1998 at 21:47:42:

My Grandpa (Ervin Cary), just loved to get Christmas Eve and Christmas Gift on everybody he met on those two days. Since he lived with David Crockett (Old Man Dave), Altom from when he was 11 until he married my Grandma and established his own family, and since folks tend to do and say the things in adulthood that they learned in childhood, I can only guess, but it's a pretty good guess, that Old Man Dave loved to get Christmas Gift on everybody he ran across too. Therefore, to Linda, and all others who are dedicated to the research of their Altom roots, I say CHRISTMAS GIFT! I hope everyone has a great holiday season and 1999 contains many wonderful things for you.

In Reply to: Christmas (Eve) Gift posted by Jerry Cary on December 21, 1998 at 21:47:42:

I will probably hear Christmas Eve Gift since I'm going to my grandma Altom tommorrow and its through her that Ihave gotten acquanted with the phrase Which my dad was born on Christmas Eve so ihe was her Christmas Eve Gift. and haven't heard it onthe other side or any where else. Ihope everybody the next few days have a good Christmas Eve Gift. Darren

In Reply to: Christmas (Eve) Gift posted by Jerry Cary on December 21, 1998 at 21:47:42:

My grandpa, Daniel Pless "Hez" Aultom, always had a great time with "Christmas Gift". He is the only person, until now, that I have known who did this. This then is truly an Aultom, Altum,

Aulton, or Alton (all of these spellins are used by the children of "Hez") legacy. These little ties bind us all together.

Merry Christmas to All!

Dan Dugger

In Reply to: Re: Christmas (Eve) Gift posted by Dan Dugger on December 22, 1998 at 04:21:26:

Iknow that Christmas (Eve) Gift and Christmas Gift has been a long standing tradition in our line of Altom's Herscel S. Altom, Henry Sanders Altom and John Andrew J. Altom. Its really interesting that the rest of the Altoms are carrying it on. Merry Christmas from Ron and Sharon Altom

In Reply to: Re: Christmas (Eve) Gift posted by Ronald Altom on December 22, 1998 at 21:45:16:

Christmas Eve Gift, was a tradition with my mother, Mary Ann (Walker) Altom, and I hadn't heard it since she passed away 11 years ago. I am glad that Jerry Cary brought it up. It brings back fond memories..Thank you Jerry. Wishing everyone conneted to the Altom's in anyway, and everyone else, a Merry Christmas and a Wonderful 1999.

Curtis Gwen and Janice Altom

In Reply to: Re: Christmas (Eve) Gift posted by Curtis Gwen Altom on December 23, 1998 at 15:30:00:

Just wanted you all to know how much I appreciated all your comments about Christmas Gift. It is warm tradition with all my family. We have been catching each other with Christmas Eve Gift yesterday and Christmas Gift today. I am pleased that you enjoyed the memory. As one said, these surely are the ties that bind us. Thank you all, God bless us every one and Merry Christmas!

Jerry

Hi everyone,

Ihave something of interest Ibelieve needs to be stated if we ever are going to go any further back on our family line. I'm not going to worry whether our name is Altom, Altum, Haltom,or Altham or any other surname you want to put there. It seems that no matter what direction we start out and end up we always go through Montgomery County North Carolina. While researching another family line Iknow that Idescend from a person named Ezekial but depending on what record you look at on him or any of his children his last name is either Cochran,Cockran or Cothran but still the same people named. To me it seems in our family in the same general area we have the same first names but a different spelling of the last names but they to me are all the same people as in the case of Ezekial Cochran /Cothran. The Montgomery County North Carolina Haltoms and Altoms are the same people but which spelling is right Idon't know or care as long we have the right people. First let me deal with one of the oldest in that County which is William. William is first found in any records in the Moravian papers listed as Altem and Haltom and had land in 1753 in what is now Stokes County. He later went to Anson and now Montgomery County and had land there in 1758. He is listed on the tax list in 1763 along with a John. This John bought land in 1771 as Haltom but sold it as Altom. One more reference Ineed to make is Spencer Haltom and Altom. The Spencer on the tax list in 1782 and the on e on the 1790 census is the same Spencer just minus the H. Ijust haven't decided for sure if there was two Spencers in the County around 1785, one being son of William and the other John. For the most part though all the time you see the name Spencer Haltom/Altom it is speaking of the same one. It seems also that all the lines whether Haltom or Alom and its other variations have a Spencer in it. The oldest Spencer I can find is the Spencer the son of John and Ann Latham Haltom. In the 1790 census he is listed as Altham but in 1800 he is Haltom. I honestly believe that all the Spencers we know of is named after this one and some kind of uncle of the others. Iguess by now you have gathered I believe that we all descend from John and Ann of 1761 Will well I do. You can spell or put whatever last name you want to behind John and Ann but it seems that they are our common ancestors wheter we are Altom, Altum or Haltoms and that two of his sons went to North Carolina before his will was made namely John and William. John is the ancestor of the Hawkins, Anderson Greene and Illinois bunch and along with the Greenville County South Carolina Clan. William is the Ancestors of the Haltoms of Montgomery County North Carolina, Owens County Indiana( and on some of their records they are listed as Altem and Altom) and the Newberry County South Carolina Altoms. I'll close by giving the line from the first Iknow of and let you put whatever last name you desire to put there and whichever you choose won't change the family structure but will satisfy the mind.

1.John and Mary had:John,William,Joseph,Charles, Nicholas, James ,Mary who married Edward Reynolds and Catherine who I believe married Jame Reddus

2.John and Ann had:John,William,Joseph,Spencer,Ann and Mary who married a Mills

3a.John and Mary had:John married Rachel,William the father of the Hawkins County and Illinois Altoms and James married Sarah Spurling possible others

3b.William and wife had:Spencer married Nancy West,William married Mary,Joseph married Mary Randall and James who married Phebe.

I'm not saying that I'm right on this but it sure seems that it points in that direction when you take away the variations of the last name and just go with the first names. Like Isaid you can put whatever name you want to put behind them. Because it seems that on some record or other they used all the different variations for whatever reason. I leave the last name your choice. Iencourage feed back on this and if Ihave missed the mark somewhere let know that for sure so Ican go back and see where Iwas wrong because Iwant to get this right and not to mislead anyone. Darren Altom

In Reply to: Choose a Name posted by Darren Altom on December 11, 1998 at 23:42:16:

Sorry forgot:

The original were read at the NC Archives in Raleigh, NC. They were in terrible state; some pages only first name could be read, some pages nothing could be read. It is obvious to me that they are incomplete. The archives will not allow this material to be copied due to its poor state.

In Reply to: Choose a Name posted by Darren Altom on December 11, 1998 at 23:42:16:

I would like to add my support to Darren's comments with the following new finds:

1. In Abstracts of the Deeds of Rowan co NC 1753 to 1785 Vol 1-10 by Jo White Linn is the following very important find:

Vol 6 pg 167. 7 Jun 1763 Wm HOLTHAM of ANSON co to Hugh Dennum for 40 pounds VA money, 510 acres on Dan River. Witnesses include Samuel Waggener, and James Hampton. Prvd July Court 1765.

This was granted on Mar 13 1755, Granville to Wm HALTHAM 510 A on both sides of the Dan River. Rowan deed bk 3 pg 330. There are two other grants listed bk 3 pg 332 and bk 3 pg 334 for 266 and 640 a on Town fork creek.

The implications of this is that Wm Holtham is selling his land grant out and had already removed to Anson co NC. It is a Rowan co NC deed because at this early date Rowan include this land. There can be NO DOUBT that the moravian diary WM and the Wm of Rowan co and the Wm of Anson co NC are indeed ONE and the SAME PERSON.

Also to add on: there was a odd refer to Wm Altom in the Minute book of Rowan co NC. something about serving in the room of. A study of this refers to the constable (sheriff) appointed for various areas or territory much like what we see as folks working on county roads.

What is interesting is that there were further listing of Wm serving and others serving in his place as ALTOM, HOLTOM, etc. We did not catch the Haltom spelling until I went back and looked it up.

One comment about the Spencers. I support the two Spencers. There is a Spencer and wife Ann and also a Spencer and wife Nancy. I did quite a lot of research on Spencer and Ann Altum of Montgomery co NC selling land in Surry co NC. It is apparent to me that probably Spencer and Ann Altum never lived on the piece of property in Surry. Surry co NC and Rowan have excellant records. Also they have published tax records. Spencer and Ann never show up on any other Surry co NC records. Also a study of Lash family / Leash reveals they were moravian but greatly involved in land speculation. There is even a reference to them showing this piece of land in the moravian diary to another man. The old man Lash was officier (treasury) in moravian church. He went back and forth to PA. The implication to me is that Spencer and Ann Altum are now definitely place as living in NC until the sell of this property in Surry co.

I have reviewed the originals of the 1784-87 Montgomery co NC state census:

I did not find the numbers on the original as the same as what has been published in the book. It was sort of surprising:

The correct numbers are

William Holtom 1 WM 21 to 60, 1 WM under21&ov60

2 WF all ages

William Holtom 1 WM under 21 &over 60

1 WF all ages 2slaves 12-50

Spencer Holtom 1 wm 21 to 60, 4 WM under21 &ov60

4 WF all ages 1 slave un12 ov 50

Joseph Holtom 1 WM 21 to 60 1 WMunder 21&ov60

2 WF all ages

That is all for tonight. Note the difference in the figures for WM!!!!

In Reply to: Re: Choose a Name posted by Michael Barr on December 22, 1998 at 22:26:42:

It does indeed had further proof to the 'pudding' so to speak..perhaps we are finally getting somewhere on all this...thanks for the additional info....

In Reply to: Re: Choose a Name posted by Michael Barr on December 22, 1998 at 22:26:42:

Micheal,

Thanks for the info and comments on the subject. Iwill make the change on William because I'd think the microfilm copy of the numbers are better and more accurate than the ones in the book. The book could make a mistake at copying the info. Thanks again

In Reply to: Choose a Name posted by Darren Altom on December 11, 1998 at 23:42:16:

May i throw another possible name into the pot. Somewhere in my meanderings I have come across the name Oulton, I believe it was in some reading I have done on VA. Over the holidays I will tr to come u with the exact reference.

Dan Dugger

In Reply to: Choose a Name posted by Darren Altom on December 11, 1998 at 23:42:16:

Darren, I have been putting off the inevitable, which is the return to this subject line...smile...became so frustrated with our last attempts at broaching this subject that I layed it aside for awhile...but it is indeed time to address this if we ever intend to push past the stopping place that all our lines have reached. I like your thoughts on the layout/divisions of the families. One thing I would like to add to your message in a means of support or backup is the remark about our James'(Phebe) brother being Spencer Altom(Haltom). If I am reading your message correctly, I indeed, think that the Spencer Haltom of Montgomery County is a brother to our James Altom of Newberry South Carolina and that most of that family line continued to use the Haltom name, rather than Altom. Here is my reasoning on this. From the correspondence of Henry W. Rigby, there were several people from the Montgomery County NC area that married and moved to WHERE ELSE? Henderson County, TN. One of them was Allafair Halton and husband William M. Spencer. Another was Elijah Spencer, brother of Allafair who moved to Henderson County by 1830 and in Madison County in 1840. The Madison County(neighboring couty to Henderson in TN) Haltom's came from North Carolina as well and first settled in Henderson County in the 1830's as well as our line before moving into adjoining Madison County. The Will/inventory of Mary Hatton, Decd. of Madison County which I believe to be the wife of William and eldest of the family in Madison County in 1837 and who did she have as buyers at the sale? for starters some of the Spencer family...CLARK SPENCER. Some of the Jackson Family....JESSE JACKSON, ISSAC JACKSON, THOS. JACKSON...Those of the Haltom Family...Enoch Haltom, John Haltom, Ezekel Haltom, Thomas Haltom, Nathan Haltom...those of the Latham family....Neal Latham, William Latham and others to include the Morris' and Deberry's and Manas(Manness?????)...Does anyone see anything that I am seeing in these names..and locality?????

And further on these same Haltoms moved into S. AR. and Texas and into the same Counties and Communities of the Altoms of our line. I don't see this as any coincidence...A name that is only one letter away from being the same..a name that sounds the same almost when spoken...a movement to different states, yet same communites...

THEN...there is the Latham's in the will that makes me think and look at the Ann Latham(Haltom)wife of John in Maryland whose son was Spencer.....Thus the Spencer in North Carolina was the son of the John and Ann of Maryland and he in turn had a son William who married Mary and moved from Montgomery County, NC. to Henderson County, TN. to Madison County, TN where he and she died and their descendants moved(some of them) from TN in Texas and AR., and into the same areas as our line. I think that the Maryland Spencer is probably the son of Joseph that appears on the Census in Maryland and that the Spencer mentioned in the will of John moved to N. C. where his brothers were after the will of John was probated as he seems to appear about 2 years later in records in NC......WOW...I HOPE THIS IS NOT TO CONFUSING FOR ANYONE....I see what I am trying to say clearly, but trying to explain it is a totally different story......Linda

In Reply to: Re: Choose a Name posted by Linda on December 12, 1998 at 14:24:18:

I need to retract or correct the last of the above message...from where I state 'Thus the Spencer in North Carolina was the son of John and Ann of Maryland...that is/was speculation on my part and NOT ACCURATE. And the Maryland Spencer appears to be the SON of John and Ann and not the son of Joseph. I apologize for the confusion on this. The Spencer in NC may be the son of the older William in NC, but unsure at this time.

In Reply to: Re: Choose a Name posted by Linda on December 12, 1998 at 14:24:18:

One other remark on the name is this...for many that might not realize it, my line of Altom's for as long as I can tell you about has been pronounced as ALL TUM (Altom).....thus Altom and Haltom sounds extremely close and we must all remember that back in the early 1800's most could not read or write, so how it was spelled usually depended on the person interrupting the spoken name. And if they were unaware of the actual spelling of the name, it makes sense that has education progressed among children that in whatever manner the name had come to be known as in documents and census takers reports usually became the spelling taught and learned by the children.

Just wondering if there are any descendants of David Crockett Altom and Sarah Shipman who are researching the family ancestry and descendants. Can't help much on the ancestry of the Altoms due to the fact that Linda seems to have covered almost all of it. P.S. Linda does a super job on her web site. I do have some ancestry for Sarah Shipman, willing to share.

In Reply to: David C.Altom posted by Jack Hearington on December 03, 1998 at 20:50:27:

Jack, I'm not a descendent of David Caltom but info on him and some of my info onO.C. family is she married a Hearington and silly me on mmy computer Ididn't put where people was born just bith and death dates. I know some of these Hearingtons moved to Georgia around Marrietta and not sure which ones but two of them married Mizes. Ihave a cousin in Marrietta named Skip Caillouett that married a Lori Mize and Ibelieve but not sure that her dad is named James Mize. Iwas wondering if her dad may be part of the Mizes that married into this Hearington family. Ihave never had a chance to ask them about her grandparents to know for sure. Maybe you can help on this and I'll try and find out on this side for sure. Darren Altom

I was astounded at what I found on the Altom line @ your sites,especially the photos of Christina and JAJ and Henry Sanders. Herschel Stanley Altom is my husbands father and Henry Sanders was his gfather, but you show on one of your sites that Herschel & Anna only had 5 children. My husband Ronald Edward Altom is the 6 child born 9-30-1942. We have 2 children Rhonda kay Altom and James Edward Altom. Thanks so much for all of your info.

In Reply to: Re: Herschel Stanley Altom posted by Sharon (Leach) Altom on December 03, 1998 at 01:38:37:

Sharon, Your husband and I have the same first and last name but a diffrent middle name. Ihave ya'll in myy computer but have no dates for him or his brothers.

My full name is Ronald Darren Altom and we both descend from John Andrew Jacson Altom but Idescend from Henry Sanders brother James H. Altom. It seems me and him also descend from the Samuel Hess line through his mothers line the Dossetts. Sharon Thomas may be able to help more on that part since she descends from the Hess family throuh the Dossetts. She was also an Altom. Idescend from the Hess line through the Allen family. Be glad to correspond on that line. Darren Altom

In Reply to: Re: Herschel Stanley Altom posted by Darren Altom on December 05, 1998 at 21:13:25:

Hi Darren,Sorry we took so long to reply. Yes we would like to correspond with you on the Dossett Hess line. Email Sharon Altom@gte.net. Look forward to hearing from you. Ron Sharon

In Reply to: Re: Herschel Stanley Altom posted by Sharon (Leach) Altom on December 03, 1998 at 01:38:37:

Hi Sharon, I apologize for the error, it was just an oversite on my part..I have added his name to the page now...thanks for noticing and letting me know about it. Glad you have enjoyed visiting the pages on our family, please stay in touch...Linda

I found some more information that may help. My grandfather was William I. Altom his father was Wm. Kindrick Altom. Some other names listed are Robert and Mary (Mabuery) Altom, Jessie and Luvina (Gilley) Altom,Emma Lena Altom daughter of Wm. & Minta. From the Clinton and Marion counties in Illinois. Thanks Melissa

In Reply to: More information on Altom Family posted by Melissa Trobaugh on November 29, 1998 at 11:09:19:

Just a note to say I still visit your site and am excited about its development. I have been in correspondence with Melissa and believe I have made a connection for her family and am hoping she can fill me in on his descendants.

Thanks for your workin our behalf.

Goldsby Family Page

Looking for desendants of William Irvine Altom whos parents were Wm. and Minta Altom of Boulder, Illinois. Any information would be greatly appriciated.

In Reply to: Altom Family posted by Melissa A. Trobaugh on November 28, 1998 at 11:44:31:

Melissa, I hope that Mr. Goldsby was able to help you out on this and thanks for your post.

Jacob's daughter, Sarah Ann (Christine Sarah Ann(Sally) was my g-grandmother. She was married to John W. Harvey. She died in 1892 when my grandfather Charles Henry Harvey was born. When I was a child, my family visited with a cousin of my grandfather's by the name of Elmer. His wife's name was Pearl. Is there anyone from that family online? I can add our line if anyone is interested.

In Reply to: Sarah Ann Altom posted by Terry Harvey Clements on November 19, 1998 at 20:03:00:

Hi Terry, Sorry it has taken me a while to get back to you...I have been in the deer woods quite alot and have gotten behind in some things on our website. I would indeed be very interested in adding your information on Sarah Ann and John to the Altom pages. Also would love to add any family photos you might have access to on Sarah and family. At http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1844/linda6.htm you will see where Donna Roberts has her line posted and I would like to post yours in the same manner if you are interested..You can email me if interested in doing so at kimikent@mail.snider.net. On family members of Elmer and Pearl, I am not sure if I have any contacts from their line, but will let you know if I should come across any...thanks for your post and I look forward to adding info on your line very soon....

In Reply to: Re: Sarah Ann Altom posted by Linda(Altom)Smith on December 03, 1998 at 05:16:15:

Terry, Located one researcher I have in my files. Oddly enough, his name is Terry as well...Terry S. Altom ta5zac@msn.com is the last e-mail address I have for him..Elmer and Pearl was his Grandpa and Grandma. Hope you are able to make contact with him, please let me know.....

Martey, In talking to a friend in Little Rock who was from Amity, AR...thought you might have or know anything of his line...His name is Gary Randall Massey, Dad is Clodus Ray Massey, and grandfather is Donald Massey..his grandfather died about 5 years ago in Amity, AR. He knows nothing of his ancestral line and I thought that perhaps since your Massey line was from close to the same area in SW AR. that you might be able to provide me some info on his line to give to him...Linda

In Reply to: To: Martey Massey posted by Linda on November 09, 1998 at 20:57:41:

Linda, I don't think so. I haven't heard these names before, but where is this town in Ark. and what are the dates of his family? I might have some ties I could fin. I have so much on the Massey's it's not funny. Martey.

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